User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 15 of 47 FirstFirst ... 511121314151617181925 ... LastLast
Results 141 to 150 of 463

Thread: Why is atheism so poorly represented in American politics?

  1. #141
    Points: 9,792, Level: 23
    Level completed: 68%, Points required for next Level: 258
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran5000 Experience Points
    JohnAdams's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    529
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    386
    Points
    9,792
    Level
    23
    Thanks Given
    23
    Thanked 173x in 109 Posts
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Trinnity View Post
    We don't have a state sponsored religion. Our Constitution prohibits it.
    But neither do we ban religion and treat it as if it were evil, because our values came from Christian tradition.

    Our politicians don't obsess over it either. You are mistaken about that.

    IF anyone obsesses over religion, it's the atheists who do.

    It is the atheists we see throwing a fit, because a church provided a meal to a high school football team.

    It is after all the atheists we see screaming bloody murder over a cross nobody really knew was there, which the builders had erected and dedicated to fallen veterans out in the middle of the desert.

    It is the atheists we see demanding that any reference to God be removed from schools.

    It is the atheists we see rather than respecting the beliefs and choice of others, as they demand for themselves, hypocritically always attacking and attempting to insult those with religious belief, as the OP's own posts demonstrates.

    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    The US is the most religious nation on earth. It apparently missed the Rennaisance.

    US politics are driven by religious conservatives to the exclusion of those who don't believe in flying teapots.

    This is unfair.

    New Zealand excludes religion from politics. No politician here with half a brain would claim divine inspiration. Religion is just a non-issue.

    But in the US, politicians obssess about it. Even poor Obama, who is a closet atheist, has to pretend he attends some church or other - where he no doubt offers prayers that Americans will one day see sense.

    Why does such irrationality infest American politics? Or is it just a convenient conceit?
    When the atheist community can afford to everyone else the rights they demand for themselves, IE: the right to believe what one wish's to believe, instead of behaving as the hypocrites most of them are demanding that their non belief be imposed upon everyone else, then I am sure we as a nation will welcome their contribution to political leadership in our nation. Until then however, so long as they remain the hypocrites they are today, we are far better off without their participation.

    As is the case, anytime we have an overtly, vocal, screaming bloody murder, minority group, demanding that it be afforded the leadership of our Republic.

    Oh p.s. and if atheists don't like that too damn bad. They are always free to move to another nation state where they are in the majority.
    Last edited by JohnAdams; 08-30-2012 at 01:54 AM.
    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religiouspeople. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. ~Still waiting to see one of you liberals demonstrate that "separation of church and state" is a concept that is actually enumerated in our Constitution.

    And not just a liberal activist, legislate from the bench, fabrication.

  2. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to JohnAdams For This Useful Post:

    Agravan (08-30-2012),wingrider (08-30-2012)

  3. #142
    Original Ranter
    Points: 23,901, Level: 37
    Level completed: 63%, Points required for next Level: 449
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second Class10000 Experience PointsVeteran
    wingrider's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    1264
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    4,132
    Points
    23,901
    Level
    37
    Thanks Given
    1,473
    Thanked 789x in 646 Posts
    Mentioned
    28 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnAdams View Post
    IF anyone obsesses over religion, it's the atheists who do.

    It is the atheists we see throwing a fit, because a church provided a meal to a high school football team.

    It is after all the atheists we see screaming bloody murder over a cross nobody really knew was there, which the builders had erected and dedicated to fallen veterans out in the middle of the desert.

    It is the atheists we see demanding that any reference to God be removed from schools.

    It is the atheists we see rather than respecting the beliefs and choice of others, as they demand for themselves, hypocritically always attacking and attempting to insult those with religious belief, as the OP's own posts demonstrates.



    When the atheist community can afford to everyone else the rights they demand for themselves, IE: the right to believe what one wish's to believe, instead of behaving as the hypocrites most of them are demanding that their non belief be imposed upon everyone else, then I am sure we as a nation will welcome their contribution to political leadership in our nation. Until then however, so long as they remain the hypocrites they are today, we are far better off without their participation.

    As is the case, anytime we have an overtly, vocal, screaming bloody murder, minority group, demanding that it be afforded the leadership of our Republic.

    Oh p.s. and if atheists don't like that too damn bad. They are always free to move to another nation state where they are in the majority.
    amen ... you tell em.
    The eastern world, it is exploding, violence flaring bullets loading. you are old enough to kill , but not for voting, this whole crazy world is just to frustrating, and you tell me over and over and over again my friend, you don't believe we are on the EVE of DESTRUCTION.


    Never approach a bull from the front, A horse from behind, or a fool from any direction.

  4. #143
    Points: 24,520, Level: 38
    Level completed: 14%, Points required for next Level: 1,130
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    Social10000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awryly's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    976
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    12,000 merciful miles from the US
    Posts
    3,031
    Points
    24,520
    Level
    38
    Thanks Given
    74
    Thanked 146x in 132 Posts
    Mentioned
    16 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by wingrider View Post
    amen ... you tell em.
    I be told.

    Amen.

  5. #144
    Points: 10,706, Level: 24
    Level completed: 82%, Points required for next Level: 144
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran10000 Experience Points
    GrumpyDog's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    1044
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Civil Rights HQ
    Posts
    949
    Points
    10,706
    Level
    24
    Thanks Given
    70
    Thanked 210x in 170 Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Amenahotep.


    Just back from JFK History Forum, and yes folks, it is indeed a much bigger conspiracy than you might imagine.

    Which led me to think the word "Amen" might very well have roots back to the early Heiroglyphics, predating the Hebrew texts, during which time, Amenahotep was both ruler and "god", and probably demanded recognition as such.

    So later, the Amen means "So be it", which one might say, inspired the Beatles to say "Let it Be" which started the age of Aquarius, which Evangelcals consider to be the age of the anti Christ.

    It is fortunate that Doris Day sang "Whatever will be, will be" in 1956, in the Alfred Hitch$#@! film "The Man Who Knew Too Much" , otherwise, she might have been considered part of the countercultural movement.

  6. #145
    Original Ranter
    Points: 23,901, Level: 37
    Level completed: 63%, Points required for next Level: 449
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second Class10000 Experience PointsVeteran
    wingrider's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    1264
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    4,132
    Points
    23,901
    Level
    37
    Thanks Given
    1,473
    Thanked 789x in 646 Posts
    Mentioned
    28 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    actually the song title is " que sera sera
    The eastern world, it is exploding, violence flaring bullets loading. you are old enough to kill , but not for voting, this whole crazy world is just to frustrating, and you tell me over and over and over again my friend, you don't believe we are on the EVE of DESTRUCTION.


    Never approach a bull from the front, A horse from behind, or a fool from any direction.

  7. #146
    Points: 9,339, Level: 23
    Level completed: 12%, Points required for next Level: 711
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran5000 Experience Points
    Frogger's Avatar Member
    Karma
    188
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    157
    Points
    9,339
    Level
    23
    Thanks Given
    34
    Thanked 99x in 62 Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Awryly,

    I'm still trying to decide if you are simply a small-minded nasty person or as dumb as you come across. The jury is still out but perhaps both are correct and you are a dumb small-minded person.

    Religion does not dictate American politics. If you want to see what religion dictating politics looks like, look to the Middle East. The United States has assurance that religion does not dictate politics in the very fabric of its founding documents.

  8. #147
    Points: 30,897, Level: 42
    Level completed: 90%, Points required for next Level: 153
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    Social25000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Agravan's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    7999
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    The Republic of Texas
    Posts
    5,365
    Points
    30,897
    Level
    42
    Thanks Given
    2,594
    Thanked 1,832x in 1,330 Posts
    Mentioned
    26 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    By the same token, it does not bar you from practicing your religion either. At least it didn't till obama became king.
    Democrats believe that "politics is war by other means." And they are at war with America, with common sense and even common decency. Those who would mount an effective opposition had better have a high tolerance for slime, slander and abuse.

  9. #148
    Points: 24,520, Level: 38
    Level completed: 14%, Points required for next Level: 1,130
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    Social10000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awryly's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    976
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    12,000 merciful miles from the US
    Posts
    3,031
    Points
    24,520
    Level
    38
    Thanks Given
    74
    Thanked 146x in 132 Posts
    Mentioned
    16 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frogger View Post
    Awryly,

    I'm still trying to decide if you are simply a small-minded nasty person or as dumb as you come across. The jury is still out but perhaps both are correct and you are a dumb small-minded person.

    Religion does not dictate American politics. If you want to see what religion dictating politics looks like, look to the Middle East. The United States has assurance that religion does not dictate politics in the very fabric of its founding documents.
    This from a bathing frog washing his armpits.

  10. #149
    Points: 8,533, Level: 22
    Level completed: 11%, Points required for next Level: 717
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points
    Grind's Avatar Junior Member
    Karma
    50
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    internet
    Posts
    32
    Points
    8,533
    Level
    22
    Thanks Given
    9
    Thanked 4x in 4 Posts
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Trinnity View Post
    We don't have a state sponsored religion. Our Constitution prohibits it.
    But neither do we ban religion and treat it as if it were evil, because our values came from Christian tradition.

    Our politicians don't obsess over it either. You are mistaken about that.
    Of course they do. The problem is that it's been the default for so long that you can't even see it. The vast majority of speeches you'll hear in the public venue will have some reflection on faith, church, or god in some capacity. And if that's not enough for you, much of public policy is still derived out of religious thinking. Opposition to stem cell research, gay rights, birth control rights, funding for science, all have a religious basis. The "Debate" over teaching intelligent design in schools should even be had. There are pentagon documents with bible quotes all over them justifying the war in iraq. I could go on . . the bottom line is, if they DON'T obsess over it, it's because they don't HAVE to, as it's already everywhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    as it assumes, in its very premise, that theism is inherently irrational...
    Theism is built upon faith, it literally is about believing certain truths "just because," - and it is about belief without facts, and claims that are not falsifiable. If that is not irrational, I would have no idea what is.
    Last edited by Grind; 08-31-2012 at 12:14 AM.

  11. #150
    Points: 24,520, Level: 38
    Level completed: 14%, Points required for next Level: 1,130
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    Social10000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awryly's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    976
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    12,000 merciful miles from the US
    Posts
    3,031
    Points
    24,520
    Level
    38
    Thanks Given
    74
    Thanked 146x in 132 Posts
    Mentioned
    16 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Grind View Post
    Of course they do. The problem is that it's been the default for so long that you can't even see it. The vast majority of speeches you'll hear in the public venue will have some reflection on faith, church, or god in some capacity. And if that's not enough for you, much of public policy is still derived out religious thinking. Opposition to stem cell research, gay rights, birth control rights, funding for science, all have a religious basis. The "Debate" over teaching intelligent design in schools should even be had. There are pentagon documents with bible quotes all over them justifying the war in iraq. I could go on . . the bottom line is, if they DON'T obsess over it, it's because they don't HAVE to, as it's already everywhere.



    Theism is built upon faith, it literally is about believing certain truths "just because," - and it is about belief without facts, and claims that are not falsifiable. If that is not irrational, I would have no idea what is.

    Culturally, Americans - or at least most of them - are still in thrall to mythical creatures.

    Religion permeates their society like a plague. It doesn't cause wars, at least none involving depleted uranium. But millions are armed to the teeth to "defend" themselves from the "unholy".

    You can't stand for president without pretending to believe in one or other of these fairies.

  12. The Following User Says Thank You to Awryly For This Useful Post:

    Grind (08-31-2012)

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts