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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    Does it indeed. What I see in the US, the Middle East, Pakistan, India, Egypt, Nigeria, Mali, the Balkans and gods only know where else is that religion subverts humanity and human values.

    It held societies together in brutal ways in the Dark and Middle Ages. But most enlightened countries (including NZ) have moved on.
    What are human values?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    Does it indeed. What I see in the US, the Middle East, Pakistan, India, Egypt, Nigeria, Mali, the Balkans and gods only know where else is that religion subverts humanity and human values.

    It held societies together in brutal ways in the Dark and Middle Ages. But most enlightened countries (including NZ) have moved on.
    Perhaps you are cherry picking? Would you also say that 'enlightened' regimes like the Soviet Union held society together in brutal ways? After all, Stalin and the worst of them were non-religious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    Do, LaVey (whoever he is) has upset you. So what?
    No they don't scare me. You Don't know who LaVey is???? Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    Perhaps you are cherry picking? Would you also say that 'enlightened' regimes like the Soviet Union held society together in brutal ways? After all, Stalin and the worst of them were non-religious.

    Is it not logically a fallacy to pretend that, because some regimes also suppressed human values, religions have not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    Is it not logically a fallacy to pretend that, because some regimes also suppressed human values, religions have not?
    That is your logic not his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Those institutions are historically Christian and survive on that ethos. "Progress" and "equality" are what I would call residual Christianity. We removed the logical foundation of our beliefs (theology) but they are only "blatantly obvious" because we continue to think like Christians.
    Right. Like I said, this is why culture is so important for determining what sort of values are common in a society. Religion informs culture, which informs society as a whole. So the values that religion has created tend to outlive the religion itself. This can be seen by examining how many things Christianity adopted from Paganism or from the Greeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    Is it not logically a fallacy to pretend that, because some regimes also suppressed human values, religions have not?
    I'm not pretending that. Both religious and secular persons have committed crimes against "human values."

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    Right. Like I said, this is why culture is so important for determining what sort of values are common in a society. Religion informs culture, which informs society as a whole. So the values that religion has created tend to outlive the religion itself. This can be seen by examining how many things Christianity adopted from Paganism or from the Greeks.
    Then those values are relative. If you will accept that then fine but you must be conscious of that. Worse still, we've eliminated the basis for our beliefs. It matters and the history of the 20th Century should persuade one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    No they don't scare me. You Don't know who LaVey is???? Interesting.
    I am not au fait with all the loons you produce.
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