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Thread: Why is atheism so poorly represented in American politics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Then those values are relative. If you will accept that then fine but you must be conscious of that. Worse still, we've eliminated the basis for our beliefs. It matters and the history of the 20th Century should persuade one.
    The history of the twentieth century should persuade one that utopian, statist tendencies unchecked by religious belief can lead to devastating crimes against humanity, but it is less persuasive about the actual truth regarding religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    I'm not pretending that. Both religious and secular persons have committed crimes against "human values."
    So?

    It's about power elites, whether religious or some other ideology. I doubt Stalin actually believed in anything except power. Much the same can be said of the popes.

    Ideologies (including religions) are simply ways of exerting power and authority. Religions especially have had spectacular success down through the centuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    I am not au fait with all the loons you produce.
    You call them loons, are you scared of them? You would be surprised at it's members. Bet you know some on tv and the movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    So?

    It's about power elites, whether religious or some other ideology. I doubt Stalin actually believed in anything except power. Much the same can be said of the popes.

    Ideologies (including religions) are simply ways of exerting power and authority. Religions especially have had spectacular success down through the centuries.
    Are you sure Atheism isn't also a religion that has had success in exerting power and authority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    The history of the twentieth century should persuade one that utopian, statist tendencies unchecked by religious belief can lead to devastating crimes against humanity, but it is less persuasive about the actual truth regarding religion.
    The truth of religion is precisely the issue but only in so far as moderns want to have their cake and eat it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    The history of the twentieth century should persuade one that utopian, statist tendencies unchecked by religious belief can lead to devastating crimes against humanity, but it is less persuasive about the actual truth regarding religion.
    So you are saying that religions, despite their murderous history, are necessary to curb the actions of those who follow alternative ideologies?

    How's that working in the Middle East?

    And have you not noticed that the relative absence of religion in European political affairs has been accompanied by the absence of the wars that plagued it in all centuries apart from the current one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    So you are saying that religions, despite their murderous history, are necessary to curb the actions of those who follow alternative ideologies?

    How's that working in the Middle East?

    And have you not noticed that the relative absence of religion in European political affairs has been accompanied by the absence of the wars that plagued it in all centuries apart from the current one?
    Religion had ZERO to do with the two world war that destroyed Europe. The decline thereof arguably did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    Are you sure Atheism isn't also a religion that has had success in exerting power and authority?

    Call it a religion if you must. It makes no difference in that it is a force against the evils of other religions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    Are you sure Atheism isn't also a religion that has had success in exerting power and authority?
    But it's being called different names now. Some even put Christian in front of it. Beds violently shaking in children's rooms. Oh well that's a different subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    You call them loons, are you scared of them? You would be surprised at it's members. Bet you know some on tv and the movies.
    I try not to watch American TV and movies. It produces a calm that Tom Cruise would disturb mightily, not just for his bad acting but for his religious nonsense..
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