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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    So you are saying that religions, despite their murderous history, are necessary to curb the actions of those who follow alternative ideologies?

    How's that working in the Middle East?

    And have you not noticed that the relative absence of religion in European political affairs has been accompanied by the absence of the wars that plagued it in all centuries apart from the current one?
    Not all religions promote the same values, Awryly.

    You seem bent on the fact that today, secularism in Europe seems to be peaceful, after all, Europeans haven't had a major war for some time. 50 years ago, the opposite belief would have been more common. Secular societies were far more likely to enact violent policies toward their own citizens and toward other countries.

    Always remember, correlation does not equal causation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    Call it a religion if you must. It makes no difference in that it is a force against the evils of other religions.
    He must because anyone who talks constantly about their disbelief cannot pretend it is not a worldview the truth of which he tries to convince others of.

    Can you give us some examples?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    He must because anyone who talks constantly about their disbelief cannot pretend it is not a worldview the truth of which he tries to convince others of.
    Trying to get people not to believe in fairy tales is not trying to convince anyone of anything, quite the opposite.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    Not all religions promote the same values, Awryly.

    You seem bent on the fact that today, secularism in Europe seems to be peaceful, after all, Europeans haven't had a war for some time. 50 years ago, the opposite belief would have been more common. Secular societies were far more likely to enact violent policies toward their own citizens and toward other countries.

    Always remember, correlation does not equal causation.
    So the Crusades, the Cathar rebellion, the Huguenot uprisings, the Wars of Religion, the English civil war - just to mention a few examples - had nothing to do with religion?

    You are relying on a single example (Stalin) to promote the idea that religions are less murderous. Of course, you could also add Hitler.

    But if the popes had had tanks and warplanes, I shudder to think how much more they could have achieved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    Trying to get people not to believe in fairy tales is not trying to convince anyone of anything, quite the opposite.
    It is trying to get people to believe in the human values that make societies tick.

    Religions override these. To the extent that they prey on raw fear and other weaknesses of spirit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    Trying to get people not to believe in fairy tales is not trying to convince anyone of anything, quite the opposite.
    Except not to believe in "fairly tales". lol Check your boyfriends semen for lead. Sorry, you deserved it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    It is trying to get people to believe in the human values that make societies tick.

    Religions override these. Except to the extent that they prey on raw fear and other weaknesses of spirit.
    What are human values?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    It is trying to get people to believe in the human values that make societies tick.
    That has nothing to do with atheism. Secular values, maybe, but atheism, no.
    Religions override these. Except to the extent that they prey on weaknesses of spirit.
    Agreed, provided we're talking about secularism.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    That has nothing to do with atheism. Secular values, maybe, but atheism, no.

    Agreed, provided we're talking about secularism.
    What do you mean by "secularism"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Except not to believe in "fairly tales". lol Check your boyfriends semen for lead. Sorry, you deserved it.
    Believing in a sky god that sits and judges everything we do is pretty much believing in fairy tales.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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