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Thread: Why is atheism so poorly represented in American politics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Let's say you succeed politically through central planning in redistributing wealth so each person in the world has the same. Because politics is win-lose, taking from some to give to others, you have taken wealth from those capable of generating it. You have thus leveled everything. Then what?

    Why does everyone think that redistribution means producing exactly equal portions per person?

    Redistribution is just a means of getting currency to cycle through the economy more. When taxation on the upper 10%, who account for 75% of the yearly GDP, is "extracted" from that 10% and government then uses that money to create jobs, or gives the money directly as welfare, where do you think that money then goes?

    If you are objective, you must admit, that the money goes right back up the ladder, right back into the accounts of the wealthy, who own the industries, that produce goods, iincluding food production, which those who received the redistributed capital, then purchase, with that capital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    So you're saying that Islamic countries are filled with peaceful, loving people who would never do bad things in the name of their religion?
    I couldn't give a rat's ass what Muslim countries are filled with. Why do you? Let them live as they choose. They don't need a westerner telling them the "right" way to live.

    Your sexuality is obviously at the center of this. You know most Christians have nothing against gays right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    Gay marriage rights is not redistribution of wealth. Women being able to vote is not redistribution of wealth. Nondiscriminatory policies is not redistribution of wealth.
    Those are privileges. Wealth doesn't just mean money and capital.

    Anyway, my point's made, I'll let you argue with D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    Nice way to deflect what I was saying about religion. You can't seem to admit that religion can make people do awful things.
    You weren't saying anything about religion but rather individuals.

    So does politics. Should we get rid of that too? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    What does it mean?
    It means impoverishment and deprivation, no longer exist, because technology, and machinery, produce such an abundance, that the whole of that production can be distributed among the population irrespective of their individual ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Those are privileges. Wealth doesn't just mean money and capital.

    Anyway, my point's made, I'll let you argue with D.
    Your point was changing the subject, but carry on.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyDog View Post
    Why does everyone think that redistribution means producing exactly equal portions per person?

    Redistribution is just a means of getting currency to cycle through the economy more. When taxation on the upper 10%, who account for 75% of the yearly GDP, is "extracted" from that 10% and government then uses that money to create jobs, or gives the money directly as welfare, where do you think that money then goes?

    If you are objective, you must admit, that the money goes right back up the ladder, right back into the accounts of the wealthy, who own the industries, that produce goods, iincluding food production, which those who received the redistributed capital, then purchase, with that capital.
    Political redistribution is coercive and win-lose, economic redistribution is voluntary and win-win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    You weren't saying anything about religion but rather individuals.
    I was talking about religion.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    I mock people who ignore science because of their religion. I mock people who degrade others because of their religion. I mock people who believe in animal torture (Halal meat) because of their religion. I mock people who think women should cover themselves from head to toe because of their religion. I mock people who strap bombs to their children because of their religion.
    That's not their religion, it's people distorting and not telling the truth. He said to follow Jesus but many of their leaders are telling them different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyDog View Post
    It means impoverishment and deprivation, no longer exist, because technology, and machinery, produce such an abundance, that the whole of that production can be distributed among the population irrespective of their individual ability.
    How is heaven on Earth working out for you, religious loony?
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