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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    My idea is based on the concept that the world can be made a better place.
    non-sequiter.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I believe that there is a God and that I will ultimately reap what I sow both now and after death. The concept of hell have been depicted in many ways. I consider hell as distance from God or perhaps death.
    If you think you "reap what you sow" after death, then you believe in a form of superstition.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    If you think you "reap what you sow" after death, then you believe in a form of superstition.
    How so? Demonstrate it for us. belief in God is not a superstition and my belief in ultimate judgment is predicated upon my belief in God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    non-sequiter.
    Tough then. I think equality is something to STRIVE for. Equality isn't possible to fully achieve, but to strive for it can do good things. It seems, to you, we shouldn't try to strive for equality, we should strive for inequality instead... and be satisfied with terrible things because after all, equality is impossible. And we should never set our goals higher than what is possible, we should aim low so we're not striving for the impossible.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    How so? Demonstrate it for us. belief in God is not a superstition and my belief in ultimate judgment is predicated upon my belief in God.
    "Oops, I better not do that, I might pay for it in the afterlife" is not much different than "I better not walk under that ladder, it's bad luck". It's superstition. I'm sorry you don't like to view your strongly held beliefs as superstition, but that's just the way it is.
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    Keep in mind that as I justify my beliefs I will ask you justify your own. You don't get a pass.
    I accept that some of my beliefs are irrational. It is you who seems unwilling to accept that about yourself.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    I'm not. He's trying to claim that his religion isn't a superstition, and I'm saying that IT IS. To believe in some sky god judging everything you do is superstition.
    Then you are attacking his beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    Then you are attacking his beliefs.
    I'm not attacking anything. I'm discussing his beliefs. He thinks believing in the afterlife and heaven and hell isn't a superstition, and I'm saying it is because it has all the qualifications of a superstition.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    I'm not attacking anything. I'm discussing his beliefs. He thinks believing in the afterlife and heaven and hell isn't a superstition, and I'm saying it is because it has all the qualifications of a superstition.
    How do you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    How do you know?
    Um---if you stop yourself from doing something or thinking about something because you're worried about the afterlife---that's superstition talking.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    Um---if you stop yourself from doing something or thinking about something because you're worried about the afterlife---that's superstition talking.
    You don't.

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