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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    So does the concept of God. Is that proof God exists?
    The CONCEPT of God exists. That doesn't mean it/he/she exists.
    Feel free to demonstrate it.
    I've already talked about it many times. I'm not repeating myself. You don't like the way I word it because I dumb it down.
    It is not a question of what should be but of what is.
    That answer makes no sense.
    Really? I could we are all unequal until proven otherwise. Why is equality the default?
    Why are people innocent until proven guilty--why not the other way around? It's to look at the good sides of people before looking at the bad.
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    Alleviating pain and misery has nothing to do with equality. One cannot reject equality and care for his fellow man.
    I'm sorry, I still don't get how that's an answer to the point I was making. You seem to be suggesting that we should be striving for inequality and that's something I can't wrap my mind around.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    No, 100%, nice try.
    Well, alright. It explains why you think discussion about your religion is an attack on it--it reminds me of Muslims in the middle east.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    Well, alright. It explains why you think discussion about your religion is an attack on it--it reminds me of Muslims in the middle east.
    Whenever I think of American evangelists, I wonder how they differ from Muslims in Middle East hotspots.

    The difference, apart from the comic they follow, eludes me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    Whenever I think of American evangelists, I wonder how they differ from Muslims in Middle East hotspots.

    The difference, apart from the comic they follow, eludes me.
    No you don't. The violence associated with Christians ended hundreds of years ago as a matter of general conduct. Not so with the Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    Of course a country's past is going to affect the present. That should go without saying.

    Good. Not everyone understands that. They like to think they have been unaffected by Christianity when in reality it determinesmany of their thought patterns.

    It extends from your belief in God, but your belief in God isn't rational.
    Why? I don't use my power of reason?

    There are things that we can try to make sound reasonable in our minds that are not really rational, we do it all the time--usually they're little things that we never really discuss--like wanting to go extra fast in a section of road that is known as a speed trap--or making sure an item is placed in the middle of something even if there's no worry of it falling over--little things--obsessions, and we can try to make those obsessions sound reasonable and rational in our heads, but when we really break it down, the reasons are irrational. For an extreme example, look how mass murderers try to rationalize their actions.
    Like I said, if reason plays a role it is not irrational. It's a "superstition" and "irrational" for me to be throw salt over my shoulder. It's salt. I know what salt is. There is no logical connection between salt and whatever throwing salt over your shoulder is supposed to do (it escapes me and I don't feel like looking it up). Mind you, that doesn't mean throwing salt over your shoulder will not have the intended effect. It just means that I have no reason to think it will.

    "A reason" does not automatically mean it's a *rational* reason.
    I didn't say "a reason". I said the use of reason means it cannot be irrational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    The CONCEPT of God exists. That doesn't mean it/he/she exists.
    That was my point.

    I've already talked about it many times. I'm not repeating myself. You don't like the way I word it because I dumb it down.
    We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

    That answer makes no sense.
    You sure it does. Human beings are either equal or they're not. Are all men created/born equal? Do we all have equal rights, duties, and obligations? Are we all of equal value? Do we all have inherent dignity that must be respected? You do not strive for these things. They are true or they are not true.

    Why are people innocent until proven guilty--why not the other way around? It's to look at the good sides of people before looking at the bad.
    Because people go to prison if they guilty of a crime. That's a weird analogy. Why are we assuming that equality is a positive and the default position? Why do we start out from equal until proved otherwise? In any case, the inequality of men in their intellect, physical attributes, resources, circumstances of birth etc. is so obvious it hardly needs to be pointd out.

    I'm sorry, I still don't get how that's an answer to the point I was making. You seem to be suggesting that we should be striving for inequality and that's something I can't wrap my mind around.
    Men have been striving for equality for well over a century and millions have been murdered in its name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    No you don't. The violence associated with Christians ended hundreds of years ago as a matter of general conduct. Not so with the Muslims.
    To be sure, it was never a matter of general conduct among either Christians or Muslims. The Islamic world is in a state of decay and I think that is why we see so much internecine violence. The European wars of religion were a relatively brief if awful episode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    No you don't. The violence associated with Christians ended hundreds of years ago as a matter of general conduct. Not so with the Muslims.
    It simmers, lad. It simmers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Ths US is not even close to being the Most Religious Nation on the Earth. Moreover US Politics are not driven by religious conservatives. Not even the Expressionist painter during the Rennaisance would use such a broad paint-brush.
    Huh?

    U.S. is most religious in industrialized world

    With 89 percent of the population religious and 62 percent highly so, the United States is the most religious nation in the industrialized world, according to an international survey released this week.
    Religiosity remains high among all adult age groups, according to the Bertelsmann Foundation's Religion Monitor, and large majorities of Catholics and Protestants say that their religious beliefs affect their political views.


    In comparison, faith plays a far less significant role in developed European countries such as Britain, France and Germany. http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/faith/2009/12/united_states_is_most_religiou.html
    If you are comparing yourself with Muslim countries, remember that you might be polling those who are terrified to reveal they could care less about the Koran.
    Last edited by Awryly; 11-15-2012 at 08:24 PM.
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    You know why atheism is so poorly represented in American politics? They don’t have enough mega churches with worshippers who vote. Maybe if they build a lot of churches and then elect a Pope or two then hide a wide spread sex scandal they can get attention of the pols.
    Last edited by Evan Mazepa; 11-15-2012 at 08:27 PM.

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