User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 33

Thread: Question for biblical scholars

  1. #21
    Points: 84,628, Level: 70
    Level completed: 91%, Points required for next Level: 222
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranTagger First Class50000 Experience Points
    roadmaster's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    10171
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    18,795
    Points
    84,628
    Level
    70
    Thanks Given
    3,293
    Thanked 6,314x in 4,619 Posts
    Mentioned
    143 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Post 11 dealt with the question that was asked.

  2. #22
    Points: 24,296, Level: 37
    Level completed: 96%, Points required for next Level: 54
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Social50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    iustitia's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    39645
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    3,279
    Points
    24,296
    Level
    37
    Thanks Given
    0
    Thanked 2,104x in 1,228 Posts
    Mentioned
    108 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I think it all matters. The NT changes a couple things to accommodate the gentiles and their culture. Things like dietary laws and observation of the Sabbath are optional. That said, there's nothing wrong with sticking to what worked for His people. In fact, the NT doesn't really differ a lot from the OT. Sure it's assumed that the OT is hardcore and the NT is softer, but really the things Jesus says and does are fulfillment of the old. In some cases the new things he says are really just recycled from the old Jewish law that the then-modern Jews abandoned. If anything, Jesus was trying to get away from sophistry and back to the basics.
    "Of all men's miseries the bitterest is this: to know so much and to have control over nothing." -Herodotus



    "Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes every day, because the owners of this country know the truth. It’s called the American Dream, 'cause you have to be asleep to believe it. " -George Carlin

  3. The Following User Says Thank You to iustitia For This Useful Post:

    Green Arrow (12-17-2014)

  4. #23
    Points: 84,628, Level: 70
    Level completed: 91%, Points required for next Level: 222
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranTagger First Class50000 Experience Points
    roadmaster's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    10171
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    18,795
    Points
    84,628
    Level
    70
    Thanks Given
    3,293
    Thanked 6,314x in 4,619 Posts
    Mentioned
    143 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The NT changed a lot of things. We no longer have to sacrifice an animal for our sins, for He was the perfect Lamb. But it was always by faith. He gave Moses the Hebrew the first five chapters. Moses believed in Him, Abraham the Hebrew did see Him.

  5. #24
    Original Ranter
    Points: 863,576, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    497490
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    242,820
    Points
    863,576
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    153,675
    Thanked 148,500x in 94,942 Posts
    Mentioned
    2554 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Oh boy, textual literalists with a document that has be retranslated numerous times....
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  6. The Following User Says Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    Green Arrow (12-17-2014)

  7. #25
    Points: 148,686, Level: 92
    Level completed: 57%, Points required for next Level: 1,564
    Overall activity: 45.0%
    Achievements:
    Social50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    zelmo1234's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    157069
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    MICHIGAN
    Posts
    56,675
    Points
    148,686
    Level
    92
    Thanks Given
    24,572
    Thanked 20,353x in 14,552 Posts
    Mentioned
    433 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I think to answer the question? You would use the words of Jesus.

    And he said that he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

    Thus when he died on the cross to atone for the sin of the world, there was no longer a need for blood sacrifice

    He stated that it is not what goes in the mouth (food) but what comes out of it (speech) that condemns the soul

    So for those trying to toss out the old Testament? The words of the New Testament do not support that

  8. The Following User Says Thank You to zelmo1234 For This Useful Post:

    Brett Nortje (01-24-2015)

  9. #26
    Points: 23,582, Level: 37
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 768
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    Social10000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Brett Nortje's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    214
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Cape Town South Africa
    Posts
    2,217
    Points
    23,582
    Level
    37
    Thanks Given
    300
    Thanked 195x in 179 Posts
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    I think to answer the question? You would use the words of Jesus.

    And he said that he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

    Thus when he died on the cross to atone for the sin of the world, there was no longer a need for blood sacrifice

    He stated that it is not what goes in the mouth (food) but what comes out of it (speech) that condemns the soul

    So for those trying to toss out the old Testament? The words of the New Testament do not support that
    There is much wisdom int he new and old testaments. for example, some people do not understand the message against adultery? well it is a betrayal of trust - to put it in more simple terms, it is like ignoring your dog that loves you.

    How about that flood? i think it didn't cover the whole world, as where did all the water go? if it was evaporated back into clouds, then we would have a lot more clouds! in fact, i think some of it sank into the soil, and eventually found the earth's core, and, well, evaporated or something. it is possible due to archeology to prove this, hold on;

    Quote Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_water_%28retention%29
    Soils can process and contain considerable amounts of water. They can take in water, and will keep doing so until they are full, or until the rate at which they can transmit water into and through the pores is exceeded. Some of this water will steadily drain through the soil (via gravity) and end up in the waterways and streams, but much of it will be retained, away from the influence of gravity, for use of plants and other organisms to contribute to land productivity and soil health.
    If you were to observe that there are many wells, where did they come from? how about lakes? it could be that the soil around the lakes was retaining water, while the other soil did not, yes?

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to Brett Nortje For This Useful Post:

    Peter1469 (01-24-2015)

  11. #27
    Points: 13,752, Level: 28
    Level completed: 23%, Points required for next Level: 698
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    Your first GroupSocialVeteran10000 Experience Points
    TheDictator's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    524
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Northeast Texas
    Posts
    896
    Points
    13,752
    Level
    28
    Thanks Given
    45
    Thanked 87x in 71 Posts
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The world today is not under the old testament ( just like we are not under the Articles of Confederation, but now the US Constitution) The old law could not be obeyed with the exception of Jesus Christ. Jesus fulfilled the old Law and by doing so was given the authority to introduce the New Testament and its laws to the world. Just like the Articles of Confederation is an American Constitution, so the Old Testament of the Bible is God's word, but we do not live under it any longer.

  12. #28
    Points: 21,388, Level: 35
    Level completed: 54%, Points required for next Level: 562
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    25000 Experience PointsSocialVeteran
    Polecat's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    20707
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Dayton, Ohio
    Posts
    6,086
    Points
    21,388
    Level
    35
    Thanks Given
    152
    Thanked 3,009x in 2,021 Posts
    Mentioned
    71 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Back to the Captain's question. The Leviticus laws were man's (the Judges) laws adopted by early Israel. They were never part of the covenant between God and Moses but a means for the Children of Israel to deal with one another.
    My beliefs are a distillation of what I was taught as a child and what I observe as an adult.

  13. #29
    Points: 13,752, Level: 28
    Level completed: 23%, Points required for next Level: 698
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    Your first GroupSocialVeteran10000 Experience Points
    TheDictator's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    524
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Northeast Texas
    Posts
    896
    Points
    13,752
    Level
    28
    Thanks Given
    45
    Thanked 87x in 71 Posts
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The Leviticus laws are God's laws given to Moses to be obeyed by God's people, the problem was they could not do it, So God sent himself as a human being to show the way.

  14. #30
    Points: 21,388, Level: 35
    Level completed: 54%, Points required for next Level: 562
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    25000 Experience PointsSocialVeteran
    Polecat's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    20707
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Dayton, Ohio
    Posts
    6,086
    Points
    21,388
    Level
    35
    Thanks Given
    152
    Thanked 3,009x in 2,021 Posts
    Mentioned
    71 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDictator View Post
    The Leviticus laws are God's laws given to Moses to be obeyed by God's people, the problem was they could not do it, So God sent himself as a human being to show the way.
    I am not on board with that interpretation. The reason being that God does not change. The 10 commandants are still valid yet the 100s of Levitical laws are null and void. We may eat pork. Adultery is still a no no.

    But I am no scholar so edify me if you can. I agree with the "Law" being a curse rather than salvation for the people of Israel. So it stands to reason that my interpretation is may be incorrect.
    My beliefs are a distillation of what I was taught as a child and what I observe as an adult.

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts