Who profits from blocking Canada

[Bob]

Maybe we should block crude from Canada. Let them build a few refineries and then we'll talk about rail shipping or piping the finished product here.

Does Canada know how to refine crude?

[Green Arrow]

Curiously enough. American get jobs either way.

How many? Even TransCanada only estimates about 9,000 jobs, and a State Department study projects only 35 jobs. Not enough to improve our unemployment problem.

The benefit of the pipeline is lower prices to Americans for the finished product.

How much? Most of the oil is being shipped to other countries once it reaches the Gulf. We likely won't get enough to significantly impact oil prices, and I seriously doubt the Americans losing their land and homes to a foreign corporation give a $#@! about gas prices.

[Bob]

How many? Even TransCanada only estimates about 9,000 jobs, and a State Department study projects only 35 jobs. Not enough to improve our unemployment problem.



How much? Most of the oil is being shipped to other countries once it reaches the Gulf. We likely won't get enough to significantly impact oil prices, and I seriously doubt the Americans losing their land and homes to a foreign corporation give a $#@! about gas prices.

How many jobs if they keep shipping it by rail? All jobs are welcome jobs.

I still don't believe that the oil must go to other countries given this country uses fuels also.

What is this crap people lose homes or land?

That is not how it works.

[PolWatch]

Let Calif benefit from a pipeline... See how they like spills on their beaches.

[Bob]

Let Calif benefit from a pipeline... See how they like spills on their beaches.

We and you have a lot of miles of pipes but no ruined beaches.

[Green Arrow]

How many jobs if they keep shipping it by rail? All jobs are welcome jobs.

It's impossible to estimate how many jobs, but ALL sources involved, including TransCanada themselves, puts the number low enough that it won't make a dent in our unemployment crisis.

I still don't believe that the oil must go to other countries given this country uses fuels also.

I don't care if you believe it or not, it's a fact. We are already producing more oil than we need, so most (if not all) of that oil shipped by Keystone will be exported.

What is this crap people lose homes or land?

That is not how it works.

Yes it is, Bob. TransCanada themselves admitted to having to use eminent domain on 2% of landowners in their way.

[Bob]

It's impossible to estimate how many jobs, but ALL sources involved, including TransCanada themselves, puts the number low enough that it won't make a dent in our unemployment crisis.



I don't care if you believe it or not, it's a fact. We are already producing more oil than we need, so most (if not all) of that oil shipped by Keystone will be exported.



Yes it is, Bob. TransCanada themselves admitted to having to use eminent domain on 2% of landowners in their way.

You forget my expertise on eminent domain. You said they lose land. Prove they lose land.

You said they lose homes. Prove that.

Then prove the oil is exported.

I personally don't give a good GD if you like the pipeline or not, the oil will be on the market even if you can't stand it.

When you talk real estate pal, you are up my alley.

[Green Arrow]

If you need me to prove that people lose land when eminent domain is used against them, you clearly don't understand how eminent domain works, and frankly I'm not going to play this game with you. You love to teach the forum, start by teaching yourself.

[zelmo1234]

And who benefits from allowing the pipeline, @Bob? TransCanada, but not Americans.

Yes because lower energy prices are a $#@!!

[Alyosha]

@Bob

Eminent Domain is all about removing private property rights from the people for the benefit of the state under the guise of "for the greater good".

Why are you ignoring @Green Arrow when he's trying to shed some truth into this tale?