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Thread: 1421: The Year China Discovered America

  1. 01-14-2015, 09:46 PM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Chinese junks were allowed to fish there.

    I googled the story. Never found any evidence.

    More research and I found a few articles.

    This one is good. This was during the Gold Rush days and later

    http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journ...ll/chinese.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Chinese junks were allowed to fish there.
    There is lots of evidence of many ancient cultures in North America. Many people ignore it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    There is lots of evidence of many ancient cultures in North America. Many people ignore it.
    I'm open to it. I just don't see anything convincing yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    What's funny is that there is Chinese debris (e.g. anchors) all over the CA coast from 19th Century fishing boats.

    I don't buy this particular revisionist attempt but I'm inspired. It's been a long time since I read a good book about the Age of Exploration. Great adventure stories.
    Like I said, most of what I've observed from him is conjecture. The best piece of evidence he has is the Kangnido, but he even admits the original was destroyed and the copy he was going off of was heavily revised after 1420.

    Keeping that in mind, it's still a good read though. Just take it with a grain of salt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Figure it out. From China to CA is 6,000 miles. From China to the east coast of the USA has to be a lot more than 18,000 miles.

    As to claims of Chinese anchors found on CA coasts, never heard of that.
    They had no reason to go east, Bob. They were following their trade routes, which went west.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    They had no reason to go east, Bob. They were following their trade routes, which went west.
    As the forum expert on all things Chinese, you must mean.

    I need back up of things you claim. A lot of back up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    There is lots of evidence of many ancient cultures in North America. Many people ignore it.
    I think it was proved that Polynesians came to South America.
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    I remember how amazing the 'Voyage of the Kon Tiki' was....he went from SA to Polynesia (I think) on a raft. I can't imagine doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    As the forum expert on all things Chinese, you must mean.

    I need back up of things you claim. A lot of back up.
    The Chinese had major trade dealings in East Africa, Hormuz/Cairo, and Calicut (modern day Kozhikode, India). All to the west of China.
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    I've put 1421 on my pending list...sounds interesting....so many books! so little time!
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