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    When A Business Denies You Service

    @Animal Mother and @Safety brought up Jim Crow and businesses denying service to gay/black people on another thread.

    Personally, I don't think businesses should be forced to serve people they don't want to serve. Why? Well, why would you want to patronize a business that hates you? You're not punishing them by forcing them to serve you, you're making them rich. If I walk into a business and they tell me, "We don't serve your kind here," I'm going to do this as I walk out:





    And then find me a business that serves "my kind." Seriously, why would I want to give my money to a bigot? Sure, I get some revenge satisfaction in them being forced to serve me, but that's ALL I get. Meanwhile, they get my hard-earned money. They benefit from that arrangement in the end.
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    The reality of the matter is - if an autobody shop for example denies me service, as a white guy I have no recourse.

    God bless this body shop if they deny a 45yr old hispanic woman service.
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    I had a friend in high school that worked at Josef's bakery in Grosse Pointe. When a customer was rude to her she would go in the back to package the cake, spit on it, and cover it up with whipped cream. I knew someone in college who worked at Outback Steak House. When someone was a dick they would make things happen to the steak.

    Anyone who believes public accommodation laws are a good thing is stupid. Good intentioned, probably kind-hearted, but stupid. I want to know who dislikes Jews, Catholics, or lawyers. I don't want to get the person feeding me who just had a nasty divorce.

    People forget that Jim Crow laws were government regulations that disallowed blacks from sitting with whites. Had the free market been allowed the choice there would have been restaurants that said, screw it. I'll make more money this way.

    Aside from the argument of personal liberty which is important to me, there is still the practicality of forcing someone to do something they don't want to do "just because".

    I understand the desire to punish $#@!s. I'm a $#@! and get off on that $#@!. However, the end result is that I will never know if the person I'm working for is denying my raise or promotion because of who I am. I will never know if the food I'm eating is tainted. I will never get the best quality work from someone who hates me. The way the current laws are written I will never know who I am dealing with and if they will secretly spit in my food, rub it on their ass, etc.

    As to the argument about the lone gas station for 100 miles, that's like saying we should all be prevented from swimming in the ocean because every once in a while there will be a shark attack. Today if a black family wrote that they were denied gas on road x, within 20 minutes it would be all over the Internet and that gas station would be vandalized and some other person would see the need for opening a gas station that takes care of blacks.

    There is a greater chance of me eating a cake with a loogey hocked into it for being Jewish than there is of me being denied gas should we remove the laws.
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    That and the laws that prevent business discrimination could have been phased out as discrimination became less prevalent. Sort of like we saw with college admissions requirements (although those took way too long).

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyosha View Post
    I had a friend in high school that worked at Josef's bakery in Grosse Pointe. When a customer was rude to her she would go in the back to package the cake, spit on it, and cover it up with whipped cream. I knew someone in college who worked at Outback Steak House. When someone was a dick they would make things happen to the steak.

    Anyone who believes public accommodation laws are a good thing is stupid. Good intentioned, probably kind-hearted, but stupid. I want to know who dislikes Jews, Catholics, or lawyers. I don't want to get the person feeding me who just had a nasty divorce.

    People forget that Jim Crow laws were government regulations that disallowed blacks from sitting with whites. Had the free market been allowed the choice there would have been restaurants that said, screw it. I'll make more money this way.

    Aside from the argument of personal liberty which is important to me, there is still the practicality of forcing someone to do something they don't want to do "just because".

    I understand the desire to punish $#@!s. I'm a $#@! and get off on that $#@!. However, the end result is that I will never know if the person I'm working for is denying my raise or promotion because of who I am. I will never know if the food I'm eating is tainted. I will never get the best quality work from someone who hates me. The way the current laws are written I will never know who I am dealing with and if they will secretly spit in my food, rub it on their ass, etc.

    As to the argument about the lone gas station for 100 miles, that's like saying we should all be prevented from swimming in the ocean because every once in a while there will be a shark attack. Today if a black family wrote that they were denied gas on road x, within 20 minutes it would be all over the Internet and that gas station would be vandalized and some other person would see the need for opening a gas station that takes care of blacks.

    There is a greater chance of me eating a cake with a loogey hocked into it for being Jewish than there is of me being denied gas should we remove the laws.
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    Yeah, I don't buy this invisible hand bull$#@!.

    If I have to travel out of my way because a certain store or restaurant doesn't want to serve my kind...then that's bull$#@!. How do you think a kid would feel if all his friends could go into an establishment but they weren't welcome?

    You can kick someone out of your business, but not because of their sexual orientation, color or gender. At least in a civilized nation you can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyosha View Post
    I had a friend in high school that worked at Josef's bakery in Grosse Pointe. When a customer was rude to her she would go in the back to package the cake, spit on it, and cover it up with whipped cream. I knew someone in college who worked at Outback Steak House. When someone was a dick they would make things happen to the steak.

    Anyone who believes public accommodation laws are a good thing is stupid. Good intentioned, probably kind-hearted, but stupid. I want to know who dislikes Jews, Catholics, or lawyers. I don't want to get the person feeding me who just had a nasty divorce.

    People forget that Jim Crow laws were government regulations that disallowed blacks from sitting with whites. Had the free market been allowed the choice there would have been restaurants that said, screw it. I'll make more money this way.

    Aside from the argument of personal liberty which is important to me, there is still the practicality of forcing someone to do something they don't want to do "just because".

    I understand the desire to punish $#@!s. I'm a $#@! and get off on that $#@!. However, the end result is that I will never know if the person I'm working for is denying my raise or promotion because of who I am. I will never know if the food I'm eating is tainted. I will never get the best quality work from someone who hates me. The way the current laws are written I will never know who I am dealing with and if they will secretly spit in my food, rub it on their ass, etc.

    As to the argument about the lone gas station for 100 miles, that's like saying we should all be prevented from swimming in the ocean because every once in a while there will be a shark attack. Today if a black family wrote that they were denied gas on road x, within 20 minutes it would be all over the Internet and that gas station would be vandalized and some other person would see the need for opening a gas station that takes care of blacks.

    There is a greater chance of me eating a cake with a loogey hocked into it for being Jewish than there is of me being denied gas should we remove the laws.
    Oh sweetie, we all hate lawyers. except when we need one.
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    This entire subject is a vicious circle. It boils down to discriminating against the discriminator. Genuine pretzel logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    Yeah, I don't buy this invisible hand bull$#@!.
    Of course you don't. People hate to make money. You're right.


    If I have to travel out of my way because a certain store or restaurant doesn't want to serve my kind...then that's bull$#@!.
    It's bull$#@!, certainly. You're both owed the right to eat somewhere not your house AND you know for a 100% fact that if that person is forced to serve you that you will be treated like everyone else. No one will spit in your food or do anything to it. Once a law comes down, people are angels.


    How do you think a kid would feel if all his friends could go into an establishment but they weren't welcome?
    Why would white kids take a black kid to a restaurant that said "Whites Only" what kind of $#@! kids are these?

    As a minority I would much rather see a sign outside a restaurant that says "No $#@!s Allowed". I don't want to give neo-Nazi's my money and I don't want to eat their food.

    Are you $#@!ing nuts? Why would you ever want to give money to someone that hates you?

    You can kick someone out of your business, but not because of their sexual orientation, color or gender. At least in a civilized nation you can't.
    Right because all other reasons to kick people out are okay. Being kicked out because you're fat is alright. Being told you can't come to a club because your clothes suck is nice.


    I won't even bother. You don't get it. You're a white guy with good intentions. You've never been a minority, don't understand what it's like to be hated.

    I will never knowingly, willingly give a guy like Cultcrusher my money and you would deny me that right and force him to serve me. That is the reality of your plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyosha View Post
    Of course you don't. People hate to make money. You're right.



    It's bull$#@!, certainly. You're both owed the right to eat somewhere not your house AND you know for a 100% fact that if that person is forced to serve you that you will be treated like everyone else. No one will spit in your food or do anything to it. Once a law comes down, people are angels.



    Why would white kids take a black kid to a restaurant that said "Whites Only" what kind of $#@! kids are these?

    As a minority I would much rather see a sign outside a restaurant that says "No $#@!s Allowed". I don't want to give neo-Nazi's my money and I don't want to eat their food.

    Are you $#@!ing nuts? Why would you ever want to give money to someone that hates you?



    Right because all other reasons to kick people out are okay. Being kicked out because you're fat is alright. Being told you can't come to a club because your clothes suck is nice.


    I won't even bother. You don't get it. You're a white guy with good intentions. You've never been a minority, don't understand what it's like to be hated.

    I will never knowingly, willingly give a guy like Cultcrusher my money and you would deny me that right and force him to serve me. That is the reality of your plan.
    LOL...yeah you're so oppressed. Jews are such a visible minority in America. Come on...don't play that card.

    I just find it amazing that given the history of oppression of various minorities that people seem to think this $#@! will just sort itself out.

    Whatever...carry on with the delusion some of you are under.

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    @Common Sense

    let's pretend that Cultcrusher owns the bakery. If you force him to serve all types then Chloe and I could walk into his bakery with say my uncle in his kippah and order a cake.

    He could wait until we leave and decide to do something to us dirty Jews and pee in the batter. At the very least we've just given money unknowingly to a man who thinks we should be killed.

    Do you not get that?
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