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    The Ratlines

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    An interesting article on the escape of 30,000 Nazis from Germany after WWII. Many went to the jungles of South America, but many others went to other places like England, America, and Australia.

    It is absurd to believe that 30,000 fugitive Nazis escaped to South America on the few U-Boats remaining at the end of the war, or that they all made their own travel arrangements. Modern popular culture has presented the escape of the Nazis in an adventurous, almost romantic light. The most popular Nazi smugglers are odessa and Die Spinne, although other mysterious groups are also mentioned from time to time. But in the main these stories owe more to the fertile imagination of scriptwriters and novelists than to historical research and accuracy.


    The truth is much more ordinary, almost mundane. It is all the more shocking as a result. For whatever successes odessa achieved, they were mere amateurs at Nazi-smuggling when compared with the Vatican. Draganovic’s Ratline [the name given to the Vatican’s smuggling operation] was truly professional, ensuring that many guilty war criminals reached safe havens. Often they did not end up in the remote jungles of South America, but settled instead in Britain, Canada, Australia and the United States. …

    The Vatican has consistently claimed that they were unaware of the identity of those who were undeserving of their humanitarian assistance. But some influential priests not only knew who the Nazis were, they actively sought them out and provided extra-special treatment. …
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    It is interesting. Explains why so many Brazilians have German names. Wasn't there a book too? Boys of Brazil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howey View Post
    It is interesting. Explains why so many Brazilians have German names. Wasn't there a book too? Boys of Brazil?
    Yes, and a movie.
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    The title of the thread reminded me of a book I read many years ago.


    King Rat is a 1962 novel by James Clavell. Set during World War II, Clavell's literary debut describes the struggle for survival of British, Australian, Dutch, New Zealand and American prisoners of war in a Japanese camp in Singapore—a description informed by Clavell's own three-year experience as a prisoner in the notorious Changi Prison camp. One of the major characters, Peter Marlowe, is based upon Clavell's younger self.
    Despite its fearsome reputation, Changi was among the better-run Japanese camps, with only 850 deaths among the 87,000 prisoners who passed through.[1]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_R...avell_novel%29

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    There has been a lot of speculation about the Church's involvement with the Nazis. I suspect it will be like some speculation about the CIA...we will never know the complete story. I remember some talk about Benedict being a Nazi but I think he was teenager or child during the period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolWatch View Post
    There has been a lot of speculation about the Church's involvement with the Nazis. I suspect it will be like some speculation about the CIA...we will never know the complete story. I remember some talk about Benedict being a Nazi but I think he was teenager or child during the period.
    He was a kid in some Nazi Youth program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PolWatch View Post
    There has been a lot of speculation about the Church's involvement with the Nazis. I suspect it will be like some speculation about the CIA...we will never know the complete story. I remember some talk about Benedict being a Nazi but I think he was teenager or child during the period.
    CIA during WWII? No, it didn't exist then, not until Prex. Truman brought it into existence afterwards. The OSS now, that existed then. & we ran Operation Paperclip, trying to get all the German scientists, rocketry, engineers, etc. in war-related production that we could lay hands on. (Also models, specs, any documents - as well as intel, dossiers, stay-behind agents, etc. A big segment of Abwehr, their officers & documents reportedly surrendered to the Allies rather than fall into Soviet hands.) The USSR did the same with their side of Europe - basically, our Germans beat their Germans to the moon.

    & we also dickered with Japan for exclusive rights, records, access to their personnel @ their bacteriological/ chemical warfare/development unit in Manchuria. Those were evil days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southwest88 View Post
    CIA during WWII? No, it didn't exist then, not until Prex. Truman brought it into existence afterwards. The OSS now, that existed then. & we ran Operation Paperclip, trying to get all the German scientists, rocketry, engineers, etc. in war-related production that we could lay hands on. (Also models, specs, any documents - as well as intel, dossiers, stay-behind agents, etc. A big segment of Abwehr, their officers & documents reportedly surrendered to the Allies rather than fall into Soviet hands.) The USSR did the same with their side of Europe - basically, our Germans beat their Germans to the moon.

    & we also dickered with Japan for exclusive rights, records, access to their personnel @ their bacteriological/ chemical warfare/development unit in Manchuria. Those were evil days.
    You're smart. I like that. There was a conversation on here a while back criticizing our government for recruiting those Germans. I honestly feel that most of the German people back then, particularly these scientists, didn't give a hoot about Hitler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southwest88 View Post
    CIA during WWII? No, it didn't exist then, not until Prex. Truman brought it into existence afterwards. The OSS now, that existed then. & we ran Operation Paperclip, trying to get all the German scientists, rocketry, engineers, etc. in war-related production that we could lay hands on. (Also models, specs, any documents - as well as intel, dossiers, stay-behind agents, etc. A big segment of Abwehr, their officers & documents reportedly surrendered to the Allies rather than fall into Soviet hands.) The USSR did the same with their side of Europe - basically, our Germans beat their Germans to the moon.

    & we also dickered with Japan for exclusive rights, records, access to their personnel @ their bacteriological/ chemical warfare/development unit in Manchuria. Those were evil days.
    I wasn't saying the CIA existed in WWII...I was saying that expecting to get all the information from the Vatican was as likely as getting all the information from the CIA....both organizations known for keeping secrets....

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    The Vatican isn't a totalitarian dictatorship. If a Croatian cleric, for example, aided a Nazi to escape what do you think the Vatican has on the matter? Videotape of the incident in their archives? Secret photos? The RCC is a HUGE international organization. Theoretically, the Pope has the final say on doctrinal matters. The Popes never controlled everything and couldn't control everything even if they wanted to.
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