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    ‘Freedom is Submission‘

    Is this where we're headed?

    A review of Michel Houellebecq's recent Soumission, for the plot...

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    The best-selling novel in Europe today, Michel Houellebecq’s Soumission, is about an Islamic political party coming peacefully to power in France....
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    ‘Freedom is Submission‘

    Mark Lilla, reviewing Michel Houellebecq’s controversial new novel Submission in the New York Review of Books, says it is both brilliant and prophetic. Lilla takes his reader through the plot of the novel (which will be published in English in October), and says despite the French Left’s caterwauling that it’s an Islamophobic work, the book is actually a kind of epitaph for an exhausted civilization — one that threw off Christianity, and found nothing durable with which to replace it. The protagonist accepts with a shrug the conclusion that post-Christian France is expiring with a shrug, and that Islamic civilization is the wave of the future. It will give France what it needs (the argument goes), not because it is true — the protagonist’s conversion is not a true religious one — but because it provides a workable answer to the problem of decadence and the dead end of secular humanism. It is as if the barbarians from Cavafy’s famous poem have come and were embraced by those they conquered, because they were a kind of solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Is this where we're headed?

    A review of Michel Houellebecq's recent Soumission, for the plot...

    Slouching Toward Mecca



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    ‘Freedom is Submission‘
    Yes, that is clearly one possible future.The modern narrative has indeed exhausted itself. What now?
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Erode the social order--family, religion, property, market and a myriad other traditions and institutions--you leave a vacuum, nothing else is left, nowhere else to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Yes, that is clearly one possible future.The modern narrative has indeed exhausted itself. What now?
    I am inclined to think that if secularism is on its way out. The vacuum will be filled with its Polar opposite - theocracy. Of which brand and flavor could be any.

    But in Europe? They better get used to call to prayer unless they institute some fierce policy - and enforce it without mercy. A Hitler-like solution seems like their only hope of retaining their civilization. But in doing so they will lose it to national socialism. A lose-lose.

    There isn't a good ending for Europe presently with the current reading of the tea leaves.

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    Work will set you free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace Camp View Post
    Work will set you free.
    If you have a time machine, please tell that to the blacks in the early history of America.

    We're apparently still having some problems over the whole slavery thing.

    It would be nice to nip that issue in the bud. Also be nice to see All Sharpton unemployed.

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    If they don't want it to become a 'moslem place,' then they need to make the 'christians' look better. if they were all to walk around with bibles, they would look more devoted, yes?

    In time the european muslims will also become westernized. it is true that in this vacuum there is boredom, and the white people usually get into media in their spare time. of course, if the television was to make time to advertise gardening, then there would be more interest in it. people would say that they can do the same, or something close, and wonder if they really could. this is a bad example because of all the apartments in european cities though. maybe if they were to advertise broadway shows, there would be some more interest in that - it is good place to meet women, and therefore brings men, yes?

    To fill this vacuum could be something more practical, like cooking. if everyone was to binge on their natural desires, then they could really have fun. maybe if they were to take up a hobby that they really want to do?

    What is the point of this thread? it seems to be about the fall of man and the rise of god, which seems to be good. the problem is some people are scared, and, if there was a city full of moslems, then they would be bumped around in the mall maybe? i understand now.

    Basically, the best thing to do to stop europe becoming too religious is to make it legal. if the moslems were told to pray, by the ayatollah at certain times, then there would not be a constant stream of people to the mosques. then again, if the lord wants us to pray, we should. if we were to instead bring god into our lives, say, play a computer game and get a name out of the bible, we could have fun as a holy warrior, yes?

    Then again, if we were to suggest they play bibliomancy at home or at mosque, they could light a candle and open to a random page and read the random things on that page. this is fun, i have done it before, and the placebo effect keeps me thinking of god in all my doings. this submission could work out nicely.
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    Man submits to "nature's God", and woman submits to Man.

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    The Return to Medievalism

    The world is in a confused and dangerous state. Russia, a nuclear power, invades Ukraine and threatens the Baltic states, all the while spouting casual nuclear threats. ISIS recruits by posting videos of its brutal murders. Portions of both the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa degrade into failed and weak states. They exhibit what some have called neomedievalism, which is characterized by violence, polycentric governance, and warring ideologies. Camps within the American and European right and left reject science as an authoritative source of truth, accepting only that which accords with their belief systems. It seems chaotic—what American military author and historian Sean McFate calls “durable disorder”—but it has at least one unifying underlying theme: the rejection of the modern, technologically sophisticated, complex, multicultural, and multipolar world.

    What ISIS and such groups are responding to is not simply military and sectarian opportunities but a broad cultural malaise. Accelerating technological, social, and cultural change undermines many strong beliefs and practices, which can be particularly damaging to individuals and weak institutions. Those who are unable to keep pace with, or accept the changes inherent in, such a world sometimes retreat to faith, which is an understandable response. Similarly, the ever-greater social and cultural complexity of an increasingly multicultural world may have the same effect, reinforcing the value of mythic cultural stereotypes and “golden ages” of the past as refuges. While the immediate military threat of ISIS and similar organizations can be managed through traditional military responses, the reasons ISIS is there in the first place—the civilizational conflict dimension of ISIS—cannot.

    Skepticism about or even violent opposition to modernity is not new, of course. At the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, Luddites violently fought the new technology; less active types dreamt of a far more preferable, albeit imaginary, distant golden age, as they had since Roman times. Romantics such as William Blake fretted over the human costs of technological modernity, the “dark Satanic mills” that polluted England’s landscapes. Marx, Engels, and other socialist revolutionaries, often drawing from the Christian utopian tradition, decried the brutality of unrestricted factory capitalism and built their own mythic golden age in the future to come. Modernity—taken as encompassing the high-technology, market-oriented, progressive, secular state model that has dominated the international stage for the past century—is having a particularly hard time of it these days, though. Fundamentalist movements of all stripes, from religious to environmentalist to cultural to political, reject the compromises, tolerance, and belief in progress that characterize modernity. Significant minorities in the United States reject climate change science and the theory of evolution, while in Europe environmentalists stifle genetic engineering and similar technologies.

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