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    in the S china sea , generally speaking Vietnam / Phillipines / Brunei tries to form a alliance against China, however Taiwan / Singapore is more or less pro PRC claim and those other SE asian state not directly in touch with the sea (like Laos / Cambodia / Burma ) are also likely to be pro China, or at least neutrual

    China's border conflict with India is relatively minor, it's over some insanely uninhabitable mountains a few miles either way, the stake is not really the same, and beside it's unrealistic for a serious war to be raged in that sort of terrain anyway.

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    I see.

    Doesn't the border controversey point to a larger confrontation over raw materials and influence in Asia? I've read that Indians and Chinese have negative views of each other and that the Chinese frown on India's growing influence in the region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I see.

    Doesn't the border controversey point to a larger confrontation over raw materials and influence in Asia? I've read that Indians and Chinese have negative views of each other and that the Chinese frown on India's growing influence in the region.
    To some extend I guess, but China generally don't care that much about India, i mean the Himalayas is about as extreme of a natural geographical land barrier as it's going to get. historically contacts were fairly limited anyway. we know they were there , and some occasional monks go there, and some trade slip through, but it's really relatively limited. historically China probably had about as much contact with India as say... Persia. and maybe even less.

    The more tongue in cheek issue for China really is with Russia, since if we wanna get serious about the events of the late 19th and early 20th C then Russia robbed us blind in many sense. but due to the ole Communist ally thing (and the fact that the Russian army is pretty damn scary). the PRC have been pretending that didn't happen more or less, that they didn't let Mongolia go indepedent and prevented a Chinese take back (remember Mongolia was clearly a part of the Qing dynasty... and today more Mongolians live in China than in Mongolia heh.) not to meantion a lot of the outer Manchuria issue... in terms of pure land gained Russia easily grabbed more land from the Qing dynasty than.. um... EVERYONE ELSE COMBINED several times over.

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    Interesting. I know Russia and China have had a complex relationship.
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    A couple more news.

    1. As expected the whole Diaoyutai Purchase fiasco has drawn considerable backlash in the Chinese world, though the PRC government have refrained from anything more serious than verbal condemnation and sending a few patrol ships over.... so far....

    2. Congratulation to the American Beef industry as Taiwan as of yesterday has mostly opened up to pretty much full American beef import, despite some worries of the growth stimulous often used by American beef farmers.

    3. Partly out of the opening of the beef thing, Hiliary Clinton agreed with our representative to the APEC summit last week (former Vice President Lian Zhang) to restart the TIFA trade agreement talks that had been stalled for many years. as the beef thing was one of the major obstical. (it's true for most Asian country, in Korea, a protesting legislator even blew a freaken tear gas grenade in the legislature because of it.)

    4.Another intrigue, as expected soon to be leader of the PRC Xi Ji Ping suddenly fell off the radar over the last couple weeks, starting with a scheduled meeting with Hiliary Clinton, which had some folks speculating at first that it was a protest on the US but then he continue to disappear to miss appointments with a $#@!eload of world leaders from all over. rumors swirl from everything to back injury (he's been known to swim a rather long distance everyday). to heart attack to assasination attempts to political coup. the PRC hasn't helped make things clear which only fueld speculation further. though it seems the back injury / minor heart attack thing is more plausible.

    5. if you wonder why Tokyo mayor started all this mess over the disputed islands it should now be somewhat more obvious as his son is about to run for his party's which will give him a considerable chance to become the next Prime Minister of Japan as the ruling party is both unpopular and splintered. (of coruse, their party isn't popular either. so it's race to see who suck less)
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    We've got tasty beef over here. Americans do beef well.

    You've had some wild legislative meetings on that part of the world. I've seen the occasional brawl on television.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    We've got tasty beef over here. Americans do beef well.

    You've had some wild legislative meetings on that part of the world. I've seen the occasional brawl on television.
    brawls don't happen as often now as it did in the 80s and 90s, back then the problem really was that the oppositions had very few seats in the legislature (much lower than their realistic popular portion) so the few guys that managed to defy the odds and get in saw whatever they purpose gets overwhelmingly shot down almost always and the system was still rigged against them to a good degree. so they resorted to some rather extreme measures to get attention.

    That.. and Koreans are just crazy in general

    US beef is good in general, the ranch onces are generally awesome, though it is not a huge secret that the US err.... "leads" the world in growth hermone and similar agent use on factory farmed. which doesn't exactly take an enviornmentalist hippy to be at least slightly worried about.

    In Taiwan generally the market break down for beef is like this.

    Beef noodles / small slice beef in general : prefer local beef above all else. (Western beef usually don't sell it that way much anyway)

    Steak : tight race between US and Aussie beef, Aussie generally seem to hold the middle market, while the US holds both end.

    Generally, folks raise concern on US factory farming beef (which is obviously going to be the most significant in terms of quantity.), pasture raised onces are usually viewed as amongst the highest quality though.
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    It was always a Korean parliament!

    Aussie beef is excellent too. There is a cattle culture there as well. A Croatian mentioned to me a while back that he can't get good lamb here in the US. We do well with beef though.

    What's up with the Chinese VP? His absence is generating rumors...

    http://news.yahoo.com/china-maintain...042822702.html
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    It could be something relatively minor like the most commonly heard rumor being a back injury (he is well known to be a daily swimmer, a dude in his late 50s pulling a back muscle while swimming isn't exactly uncommon) or a minor heart attack (again, not exactly the youngest men around here.)

    the wilder rumors involve assasination or coup, that would be realllly wild, but that was the case you'd probably see more clear signs of chaos in Beijing than you see now.

    So the money is on the former, some sort of health concern that is probably not overly serious. though obviously with the PRC being this secretly the wild cards isn't exactly out of the quesiton either.

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    The article I was reading suggests it's something uninteresting. Probably a minor health problem like you said. It might be in the goverment's interest to be a little more open so that wild rumors don't circulate over trivial things like this.
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