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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    Yes because you deserve what others have worked for right???

    And if you really did start this, why would I not take my money and burn in before the government could get hold of it

    So you like me did not have a Daddy to get you started, Well get off your ass and do it yourself.


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    If I choose to give my son what I have earned, he may not have earned it but no one else has either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iustitia View Post
    I like how now that there's cheap points to score against two political red herrings people want to bring up that American capitalists built Russian communism.

    Antony Sutton wrote Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development covering from the revolution to the mid 60's over three volumes, wrote National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union, wrote Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, and wrote The Best Enemy Money Can Buy. He was kicked out of the Hoover Institute and written out of academia as a conspiracy theorist despite mountains of evidence in his favor.

    Oh but two rich $#@!s who aren't Democrats are giving money to some Republican causes so everyone needs to $#@! their pants and dig $#@! up about their ancestors.

    You know who else built communism? JP Morgan, the historical sugardaddy of most iconic Democrats, liberals and progressives including Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. American International Corporation linked to Rockefellers, Vanderlips and Du Ponts. Chase National Bank. Equitable Trust Company. Federal Advisory Council. Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The Federal Reserve Board connected to the Warburgs and Delanos. Guaranty Trust Company connected to the Harrimans. National City Bank connected to Rockefellers and Vanderlips again. Sinclair Oil Corporation. JG White Engineering Corporation. General goddamn Electric.

    President Woodrow Wilson sent American troops to die fighting Bolsheviks in a phony war while he gave Trotsky a goddamn passport to get back to Russia. When the communists won control of Russia the US gave them wheat shipments to offset their famines. The US let Soviet technicians visit the Douglas Aircraft Company and gained not just manufacturing rights but also licensing which resulted in the American Douglas DC-3 becoming the PS-84, and it would happen numerous times with American technological assets. Americans were getting killed in Vietnam by weapons and vehicles made in Russian factories which our companies built. Even through Reagan the US was making arms, commercial and trade deals even working on a merged school curriculum. The entire Cold War was a goddamn front for transnational corporations to profit off of ignorant herbs.

    It's harder to think of monied interests that didn't fund communism. $#@!, how about nazism? Standard Oil, Vacuum Oil, IG Farben, General Electric, Bank of Manhattan, ITT, and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. They gave Ford's antisemitic ass a goddamn award for his help. George W Bush's grandfather did business for the Nazis. Half of the American contributors to Nazi Germany were still doing business with them while we were fighting. But the Kochs, who've also funded gay marriage campaigns and the ACLU and opposed the Patriot Act and drug criminalization, are the putrid spawn of Satan's $#@! because they aren't Democrats.

    Democrats and Republicans are both, all of them, bought and paid for. You all literally mean less than nothing to them. Those of you that wax and wane ad infinitum, in this facade of a political process, are pawns and you only see this insofar as it applies to your "polar opposites" and blindly ignore the financial strings pulling yourselves and your figureheads. This is neither a republic nor a democracy, but an oligarchy, and you'll focus attention on arguably benign financial actors while ignoring the systemic corruption of the political and financial classes as a whole. Because focusing on one boogeyman lets you keep up your infantile illusion. The illusion that only your team is good and your vote matters, in some existential clash between virtue and vice or civilization and absolute despotism.

    Charles and David Koch are the 10th a 24th highest contributors respectfully and their contributions combined are over nine times less than the number one contributor whose contributions are 100% partisan on the side of liberal Democrats. It's a mirage. They're all $#@!s and none of them care about you, let alone want to fight for you.

    If you want to get anything out of this red herring strawman, it should be that parties, politicians, entire countries and even the course of history are all guided by monied interests and picking favorites isn't going to make anyone's life better. Reject the system and stop buying into the cake and circuses that is political theater.
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    Just the cognitive dissonance alone could break minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    They must be wack jobs to believe in human freedom. Shame on them.
    They were whack jobs because they saw Commies everywhere!

    They even labeled Eisenhower as a Commie, fer chris sake!

    They were very influencial in pushing the Republican Party far right into hysteria and divisive wedge politics and racial division.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
    They were whack jobs because they saw Commies everywhere!

    They even labeled Eisenhower as a Commie, fer chris sake!

    They were very influencial in pushing the Republican Party far right into hysteria and divisive wedge politics and racial division.

    You still underestimate the communist damage.

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    "Koch Is One of Our Precious Bodily Fluids. Don't Let It Sap Out of Us!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
    They were whack jobs because they saw Commies everywhere!

    They even labeled Eisenhower as a Commie, fer chris sake!

    They were very influencial in pushing the Republican Party far right into hysteria and divisive wedge politics and racial division.

    Gen. Jack D. Ripper was one of them.
    On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders

    We won't live free until the Democrats, and their voters, live in fear.

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