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    This all about womens equality and the desire to be men

    which may be necessary since democrats are trying to turn males onto Pajama Boy.

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    I actually agree with those who oppose lowering the physical standards. When it comes to police (something I know from experience), small female officers always need backup in almost all circumstances. The do not command the respect a larger officer does. Also many men, especially drunks will become combative with a female whereas they will not with a male. In firefighters being unable to lift, carry a hose, a victim by themselves can not just cause death and injury but also it requires other firefighters to drop their assignment and helping the female. I love women, I know some are as strong as many, maybe most men, but the average female is smaller and weaker physically.
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    Lowering standards is a death sentence for marines.

    You lower standards so women can pass and you lower the quality of the entire marine corp. This isnt fun and game sits LIFE AND DEATH. Any women that can pass fine but you do not lower the standards because there arent many passing.
    This is whats wrong with this country.

    They lowered the quality of Police and Fire in the early 70s because enough women couldnt pass and now police use measures that werent necessary when cops were larger and stronger and had the confidence to handle physically what they no longer can. Lower the standards for women and you lower the standards for men and the result is a lower standard agency.


    Theres a reason Marine Corp training is hard, its designed to maximize your chances to stay alive and complete missions successfully.
    Marines' combat test period ends without female grad

    The two-and-a-half year period in which the Marine Corps' Infantry Officer Course became gender-integrated for research will end without a single female graduate.
    The final two participants in the Marines' experiment with training women for ground combat started and failed the IOC on April 2. One was a volunteer and one was a member of the newly integrated ground intelligence track.
    Both were dropped during the grueling initial endurance test, said Capt. Maureen Krebs, a spokeswoman for Headquarters Marine Corps. Nine of the 90 men who began the course were also cut.
    The course, held quarterly at the Marine Corps Base in Quantico, Va., began accepting female officers fresh out of training in September 2012 as part of a larger research effort into the feasibility of opening ground combat jobs to women. Lieutenants who made it through the legendarily tough 86-day course would not receive an infantry military occupational specialty or career advancement; they did it only for the challenge and the hope of being part of a historical Marine Corps achievement.
    But as the research continued, few volunteers took advantage of the opportunity. By July 2014, only 20 female officers had attempted the course. Only one made it through the combat endurance test, and none made it to the end.

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    Womens inna Green Berets...

    Two Female Officers Get a Shot at the Army's Green Beret
    Jul 25, 2016 | WASHINGTON — Two female Army officers have been approved for initial Special Forces training, the first step in the long process to earn the coveted Green Beret, an Army spokeswoman said Monday.
    The women are the first female soldiers to be accepted into the Special Forces Assessment and Selection and could report to the three-week program at Fort Bragg, North Carolina as early as October, said Maj. Melody Faulkenberry, a spokeswoman for the Army's John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center. Defense Secretary Ash Carter's order last year to drop all restrictions on women serving in front-line combat jobs and units paved the way for women to attempt the rigorous trainingthat soldiers must complete before entering Special Forces. The earliest the women could earn the Green Beret and Special Forces tab and be assigned to an Operational Detachment-Alpha would be in 2018, though they have not yet been officially assigned to an SFAS class, Faulkenberry said. The Army declined to name the women or provide information about their service backgrounds.

    Faulkenberry said it would be unfair to publicly identify the soldiers. "We want to allow the soldiers the same opportunities everyone else has to attend Special Forces Assessment and Selection," she said. "If their names came out, it could possibly change the way they are treated … or add undue pressure on them in a course that is already very demanding." The Army had also declined to name female participants in its famously grueling Ranger School. Three women -- Capt. Kristen Griest, 1st Lt. Shaye Haver and Maj. Lisa Jaster -- graduated last year from the more than two-month-long class. They were not named publicly until the day before they graduated in ceremonies last August and October at Fort Benning, Georgia.


    U.S. Special Forces Green Beret soldiers fire an anti-armor mortar system during a training exercise at Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center, Twentynine Palms, Calif.

    The women selected to attend SFAS likely were commissioned in 2013 and are either first lieutenants or captains, according to an Army document describing the requirements for acceptance into Special Forces Assessment and Selection. The two officers accepted into Special Forces training were among nine female active-duty Army officers who applied. A total of 340 soldiers -- men and women -- applied for the program and 220 were accepted. Some of the soldiers who were not selected for SFAS -- including five of the women -- could potentially be chosen for other special operations jobs in civil affairs or Psychological Operations.

    To be accepted in SFAS, according to the Army documents, officers must have been promoted to first lieutenant between April 1, 2014 and March 31, 2015, be cleared for world-wide deployment, possess a secret clearance and score at least a 240 on the Army Physical Fitness Test. To earn the Green Beret, officers must complete a strenuous physical assessment, SFAS, the Army's Airborne School, the Maneuver Captain's Career Course or the Special Operations Captain's Career Course and the Special Forces Qualification Course. The culminating "Q"course lasts 64 weeks. Generally, one-third of soldiers accepted for Special Forces Assessment and Selection graduate to the "Q" course, Faulkenberry said. Roughly 50 percent of soldiers who begin the Qualification Course graduate and earn the Green Beret, she added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    I knew this would happen, they lowered the standards for Police and Firemen because enough women couldnt qualify, it didnt do the professions any good.
    I fully understand women on the board arent going to like my opinion. Its not personal but I do believe it.

    This is a HUGE mistake if the corp does it.


    Two years ago, Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the nation’s top military officer, laid down an edict on the Obama administration’s plan to open direct land combat jobs to women: If women cannot meet a standard, senior commanders better have a good reason why it should not be lowered.
    Today, the “Dempsey rule” appears to have its first test case.
    The Marine Corps just finished research to see if female officers could successfully complete its rigorous Infantry Officer Course.

    A IOC diploma is a must to earn the designation of infantry officer. Of 29 women who tried, none graduated; only four made it through the first day’s combat endurance test.
    Corps public affairs said it did not have the data on which tasks proved the toughest for women. But one particularly demanding upper-body strength test is climbing a 25-foot rope with a backpack full of gear. A candidate who cannot crawl to the top fails the test.



    Traditionalists see the 0-29 performance as a call to arms by those inside the Pentagon who are determined to have significant numbers of women in the infantry. They are on the lookout for standards they believe are no longer relevant in today’s battlefield.


    I think they should all have the same standard given their going to be doing the same job. The question is are the standards relevent.
    My father was in WW2 and my grandfathers in WW1 plus friends of various ages who have in the military. Not once have I heard a story that started with the phrase "if we hadn't a been able to climb that 25 foot rope the enemy left for our potential escape we'd a been screwed!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    I knew this would happen, they lowered the standards for Police and Firemen because enough women couldnt qualify, it didnt do the professions any good.
    I fully understand women on the board arent going to like my opinion. Its not personal but I do believe it.

    This is a HUGE mistake if the corp does it.


    Two years ago, Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the nation’s top military officer, laid down an edict on the Obama administration’s plan to open direct land combat jobs to women: If women cannot meet a standard, senior commanders better have a good reason why it should not be lowered.
    Today, the “Dempsey rule” appears to have its first test case.
    The Marine Corps just finished research to see if female officers could successfully complete its rigorous Infantry Officer Course.

    A IOC diploma is a must to earn the designation of infantry officer. Of 29 women who tried, none graduated; only four made it through the first day’s combat endurance test.
    Corps public affairs said it did not have the data on which tasks proved the toughest for women. But one particularly demanding upper-body strength test is climbing a 25-foot rope with a backpack full of gear. A candidate who cannot crawl to the top fails the test.



    Traditionalists see the 0-29 performance as a call to arms by those inside the Pentagon who are determined to have significant numbers of women in the infantry. They are on the lookout for standards they believe are no longer relevant in today’s battlefield.


    This is and has been an intentional strategy to undermine the strength of our fighting forces.

    When one sees the global game board, one understands the purposes of these strategies.

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    I personally don't believe women have the physical strength to be in the infantry, or whatever they call it.

    Keep the standards the same, but if a woman passes, let her serve.
    Not Debatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sachem View Post
    I personally don't believe women have the physical strength to be in the infantry, or whatever they call it.

    Keep the standards the same, but if a woman passes, let her serve.
    I have posted the PT test standards multiple times. They already are far from the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I have posted the PT test standards multiple times. They already are far from the same.
    That's not my fault.
    Not Debatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltky View Post
    Womens inna Green Berets...

    Two Female Officers Get a Shot at the Army's Green Beret
    Jul 25, 2016 | WASHINGTON — Two female Army officers have been approved for initial Special Forces training, the first step in the long process to earn the coveted Green Beret, an Army spokeswoman said Monday.
    This is not the first time. A female Captain tried it in the 80s. It was a disaster.

    Department of the Army went so far as to tell SWC that she WOULD graduate, whether she met standards or not. That lasted until the entire Phase 1 committee submitted requests for reassignment.

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