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    Re: FLORIDA COUPLE Sentenced To Prison in Deadly Python Case.....

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    That's a good point about liability. I'm not sure what has happened to the owners in these cases (like I said, there have been a few). I am sure they are fined and probably recipients of civil suits, but as far as getting incarcerated I doubt it happens.
    Not sure I could agree with a prison term but there is an argument I suppose for depraved indifference. Then again, the animals shouldn't be legal to own then.
    If it was your mother you would want them to go to jail.

    They absolutely should go to jail.

    If you shot your gun through a wall and the bullet [escaped] and injured someone what do you think would happen?
    That's just an emotional argument.

    Why?

    Apples and oranges. If I randomly fired a weapon I thin I would be in legal trouble. Your point is what?
    Here we go with those points again. :

    The point is that both the gun and the dogs are weapons.

    If you are irresponsible with either one then people get hurt.

    Get it?
    You made an analogy to consciously firing a weapon! That might be valid if in our scenario someone siced the animal on another person but that's not what we're talking about. Your analogy would work better if a gun accidently went off somehow and managed to injure someone. Do you really think you'd go to prison for that?
    Obviously I meant uninentionally. I thought that was clear.

    And as another point to answer your question yes it is quite likely you would serve jail time for shooting somone.
    "No one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty or possessions."

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    Re: FLORIDA COUPLE Sentenced To Prison in Deadly Python Case.....

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    That's a good point about liability. I'm not sure what has happened to the owners in these cases (like I said, there have been a few). I am sure they are fined and probably recipients of civil suits, but as far as getting incarcerated I doubt it happens.
    Not sure I could agree with a prison term but there is an argument I suppose for depraved indifference. Then again, the animals shouldn't be legal to own then.
    If it was your mother you would want them to go to jail.

    They absolutely should go to jail.

    If you shot your gun through a wall and the bullet [escaped] and injured someone what do you think would happen?
    That's just an emotional argument.

    Why?

    Apples and oranges. If I randomly fired a weapon I thin I would be in legal trouble. Your point is what?
    Here we go with those points again. :

    The point is that both the gun and the dogs are weapons.

    If you are irresponsible with either one then people get hurt.

    Get it?
    You made an analogy to consciously firing a weapon! That might be valid if in our scenario someone siced the animal on another person but that's not what we're talking about. Your analogy would work better if a gun accidently went off somehow and managed to injure someone. Do you really think you'd go to prison for that?
    Obviously I meant uninentionally. I thought that was clear.

    And as another point to answer your question yes it is quite likely you would serve jail time for shooting somone.
    No, you would not receive a prison sentence for accidently shooting someone. That wouldn't be just. Only if you displayed depraved indifference or something like that.
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    Re: FLORIDA COUPLE Sentenced To Prison in Deadly Python Case.....

    Hmm, well this guy got ten days:

    MITCHELL, SD - A 25-year-old Mitchell man has been sentenced to spend 10 days in jail for accidentally shooting and injuring his roommate.

    Blair Margiotti was sentenced Thursday after pleading guilty to reckless discharge of a firearm. He was ordered to pay more than $7,000 to 25-year-old Rocky Reuer.

    Police say Margiotti admitted to handling a loaded firearm while he was drunk and shooting Reuer in the right knee as he was either unloading or taking the firearm apart.

    Reuer said in a letter to the court that he did not want Margiotti to serve jail time because it was accident. Reuer did ask for restitution.

    Reuer appeared in court after the March shooting on unrelated charges, including possessing a controlled substance and driving drunk.

    http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=116180

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    Re: FLORIDA COUPLE Sentenced To Prison in Deadly Python Case.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Conlette View Post
    Hmm, well this guy got ten days:

    MITCHELL, SD - A 25-year-old Mitchell man has been sentenced to spend 10 days in jail for accidentally shooting and injuring his roommate.

    Blair Margiotti was sentenced Thursday after pleading guilty to reckless discharge of a firearm. He was ordered to pay more than $7,000 to 25-year-old Rocky Reuer.

    Police say Margiotti admitted to handling a loaded firearm while he was drunk and shooting Reuer in the right knee as he was either unloading or taking the firearm apart.

    Reuer said in a letter to the court that he did not want Margiotti to serve jail time because it was accident. Reuer did ask for restitution.

    Reuer appeared in court after the March shooting on unrelated charges, including possessing a controlled substance and driving drunk.

    http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=116180
    And perhaps he should because he was drunk and playing with a gun. That's what I mean by depraved indifference although this probaby wouldn't count. He's also a repeat offender. sounds like a real winner.

    To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.

    It could be an accident (i.e. no harm was intended) but your behavior was so risky it warrants greater penalties.
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    Re: FLORIDA COUPLE Sentenced To Prison in Deadly Python Case.....

    I think it was the other guy with the prior history, but I'm sure being drunk was part of the "reckless discharging of a firearm" that he was charged with.

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    Re: FLORIDA COUPLE Sentenced To Prison in Deadly Python Case.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Conlette View Post
    I think it was the other guy with the prior history, but I'm sure being drunk was part of the "reckless discharging of a firearm" that he was charged with.
    Oh, you're right. It is the other dude.

    I have at least 7 weapons at home. There is no way I'd mess around with them (especially while they are loaded!!!) after drinking.
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