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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I think you can define morality but not God.
    Go ahead, throw it against the wall. See what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    I was going to put an "unsure" option or something, I should have.

    Eh... $#@!it
    What happened to the "Shu'up Fay-git" option I used to vote for all the time?

    Now you're making me actually think about things instead of just $#@!ing around.

    /Edit: Not that I had to think too hard about this one, but in other recent Captain Obvious polls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrassrootsConservative View Post
    What happened to the "Shu'up Fay-git" option I used to vote for all the time?

    Now you're making me actually think about things instead of just $#@!ing around.

    /Edit: Not that I had to think too hard about this one, but in other recent Captain Obvious polls.
    I use that for a specific reason which I won't disclose, most of the time, not always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    I use that for a specific reason which I won't disclose, most of the time, not always.
    Well let me know when there is a time (outside that "most of the time") when you are ready to disclose it. Your secret is safe with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrassrootsConservative View Post
    What happened to the "Shu'up Fay-git" option I used to vote for all the time?

    Now you're making me actually think about things instead of just $#@!ing around.

    /Edit: Not that I had to think too hard about this one, but in other recent Captain Obvious polls.
    I believe it's a much deeper issue than you give it credit for.
    "Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most — that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    I believe it's a much deeper issue than you give it credit for.
    Not really. People without god have morals, and that gets shown on a daily basis somewhere on the planet I'm sure. I know I've been an example of a godless person with morals. I would counter this poll with my own though:

    If a person that has morals based on religion had their religion shown to be a sham would they become immoral?

    Ponder that one a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    Go ahead, throw it against the wall. See what happens.

    Morality is, following Hadley Arkes' First Things: An Inquiry Into the First Principles of Morals and Justice, the set of rules or guidelines by which we justify and condemn our choice of action toward others. It is, following Murray Rothbard's The Ethics of Liberty, those natural laws by which we discover and achieve our human nature. It can be stated formally, following Randy Barnett's [i]The Structure of Liberty: Justice and the Rule of Law[i], as "Given the nature of human beings and the world in which they live, if we want to achieve Y, then we ought to do Z." (my emphasis) It is, following Adam Smith, Wealth and Moral Sentiments, counterintuitive inasmuch as selfish motives can result in social benefits.
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    To me, morality is not being unfair to people, not bullying people cos I'm bigger than them, not knowingly hurting people, not taking advantage of people, not talking bad about people, and not taking their stuff. It can also apply to animals, as in not killing animals except to eat, and to the environment, as in not messing it up for my profit. I don't need a God to tell me not to do those things.

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    Regarding the question, "Is morality possible without God?"

    That depends on what you call "morality" and what god you're considering.

    However, the only valid answer was given a long time ago.
    The God of mother nature, who walked among humanity, said, Whosoever believes on Me shall not perish but have eternal life.
    And he that believeth not in Me is condemned already, because, such a fellow loves darkness rather than the Light of "nature's God" and His Word that became human flesh. John 3: 15-21

    Believing involves obeying His Intent, His Word, His Character and becoming like Him, not just mouthing a few words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    no
    Wrong. The answer is absolutely yes.

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