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    Well written. Timely article. Leaves out opinion and sticks with facts. And a ton of them. I do agree Obama is left with uncomfortable choices, but this threat isn't a surprise, the Obama Administration.... well..... at least everyone on this forum has been aware of the sooner or later argument. Agreed with it or not, you were all at least aware that there were many people supporting an argument that "choice" were going to have to be made by the US and sooner rather than later was promoted by many observers, Obama now 'left' with the later ramifications..... but must make an 'uncomfortable' choice.

    We pulled out too early. Any argument we didn't should be aborted. No pun intended.

    There are larger players in Iraq. And now even uglier options. There is a glaring lack of leadership out of Washington. We have no foreign policy at all. Lost. In reaction mode, it's so apparent. Do you see the part where he says ISIS thrives on our dilemmas. That they are not that strong. The article makes some point about ISIS fearing air power, well no sh1t, Sherlock, I've never known an army or militant group that doesn't. But, we lack resolve. And they know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Well written. Timely article. Leaves out opinion and sticks with facts. And a ton of them. I do agree Obama is left with uncomfortable choices, but this threat isn't a surprise, the Obama Administration.... well..... at least everyone on this forum has been aware of the sooner or later argument. Agreed with it or not, you were all at least aware that there were many people supporting an argument that "choice" were going to have to be made by the US and sooner rather than later was promoted by many observers, Obama now 'left' with the later ramifications..... but must make an 'uncomfortable' choice.

    We pulled out too early. Any argument we didn't should be aborted. No pun intended.

    There are larger players in Iraq. And now even uglier options. There is a glaring lack of leadership out of Washington. We have no foreign policy at all. Lost. In reaction mode, it's so apparent. Do you see the part where he says ISIS thrives on our dilemmas. That they are not that strong. The article makes some point about ISIS fearing air power, well no sh1t, Sherlock, I've never known an army or militant group that doesn't. But, we lack resolve. And they know it.
    If " we pulled out too soon" . Just how long would have been long enough? 50 years? 100? another 1,000?

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    What do you mean, if?

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    So what if we give the Sunni a state. There was another article that discussed the dilemma between Sunni leaders in IS areas on whether to side with IS or remain moderate. What if we gave them the option to remain moderate? At this point, it seems to me that their are going to need to be some borders redrawn somewhere, for someone. So what if we promise to redraw the $#@!ed up borders, give the moderate Sunni leaders in the area who don't like IS their own state separate from Shia, on the condition that they are able to defeat IS. I think they would be the best candidate politically to defeat IS.

    I think the article mentioned a problem of Iran taking southern Iraq. I don't know why that's a problem, and I don't know what to do about that except maybe give it to the Kurds with their own state in the north. The Kurds don't like Iran right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    We thought that Jeffersonian Democracy would create a liberal economy and nation that we would not have to wage war with again.
    Nobody with any sense or knowledge of the reason's history thought that. However, we do not ever HAVE to wage war with them again, but of course we will

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    What do you mean, if?

    So how long should the occupation have been? Forfuckingever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    So how long should the occupation have been? Forfuckingever?
    As long as it took. Had we cut and run from Central Europe after ww2, the Russians would have dropped the iron curtain further west than Germany and once gone, I reckon some lacking in historical perspective bleeding heart liberal could have asked 'well, how long did you want to stay, firfckingever?'

    I reckon as well had we left South Korea to be overrun by the north and today have all of Korea sitting in darkness and starvation, some don't read individual would be asking 'well, how long should we have stayed?' forfuckingever?

    Those who don't know any history are doomed to repeat its' mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    I don't think so. That isn't as profitable to the powers that be as perpetual war is
    There is too much processional (military, diplomatic, and academic) literature in the public record that discusses the theory that liberal democracies don't wage war on each other.
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    And we left too early is wholesale obvious and we left for political reasons.... to accommodate isolationists such as donttread. Who would have left western Europe and south korea to similar fates.

    Give em books, they chew on the flipping covers.

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    By the way, there was never any attempt to install a Jeffersonian Democracy. That lie perpetuated by Peter who thrives on competing with straw man arguments. Lies here are packaged back up and returned to their owners. In tatters.

    Don't lie or make things up, you don't get throttled in public. That is all.

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