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    No. You don't have to pray...

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    I was going to say Congress needs all the help it can get to not do the harm it does, but I doubt any prayer could help them.

    And sachem said it best!!!
    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    I could see taking it out if they revoked both the 16th and 17th amendments, both much more harming.
    It's not a measure of harm or either or. Remove the pledge, it would take one bill in Congress and maybe a day of debate. It doesn't need to be overly complicated.
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    I am surprised most of you won't use polls.

    But thanks for the comments the same.

    We did not say a prayer on our real estate board of directors ... trying to recall if we said the pledge of allegiance. Been a long time to recall it.

    We did say it all during my years in public schools.

    I honestly think the prayers in congress are too weak. A good solid prayer could help congress wake up, I am hoping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Why Patty since both do no harm?
    a) separation of church/state - especially since it's almost always a christian prayer

    b) pledge - I don't know why people need to publicly proclaim their patriotism. It's meaningless

    Harmless? probably. Stupid? definitely. Waste of time? yep. They are barely in DC as it is, why waste the time on these meaningless things?

    It would be just as harmless to read a poem at the beginning of the day. Why not do that? More edifying, for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    It's not a measure of harm or either or. Remove the pledge, it would take one bill in Congress and maybe a day of debate. It doesn't need to be overly complicated.
    no harm, then why are you against it?

    Are you against all change post the founders? That should get the 16th and 17th harmful amendments booted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PattyHill View Post
    a) separation of church/state - especially since it's almost always a christian prayer

    b) pledge - I don't know why people need to publicly proclaim their patriotism. It's meaningless

    Harmless? probably. Stupid? definitely. Waste of time? yep. They are barely in DC as it is, why waste the time on these meaningless things?

    It would be just as harmless to read a poem at the beginning of the day. Why not do that? More edifying, for sure.
    Well, we don't want the Muslim prayer said since it calls for killing America on Fridays.

    Church/state is not defined as you suggest.

    We can discuss that of course.

    Oh you call the pledge patriotism?

    I had not looked at it that way.

    Why are you anti being loyal to country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    no harm, then why are you against it?

    Are you against all change post the founders? That should get the 16th and 17th harmful amendments booted out.
    I'm against it because it's unnecessary and only encourages fascism. FDR and our government saw how great it worked out for the Nazis and Il Douche's Italy and decided to implement it in America, to great success.

    But since you mention it, I have long opposed both the 16th and 17th amendments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    No. You don't have to pray...
    Have you tried it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Well, we don't want the Muslim prayer said since it calls for killing America on Fridays.
    No, it doesn't.
    "Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most — that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least."
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