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    Rohingya citizenship in burma.

    It is in this place that these people are denied citizenship. this means they cannot work there. they end up living on boats, but, since the burmese do not want them there, they could get the working class's unemployed children to build them boats, yes?

    If they live in camps, this can be rectified by giving them low paying jobs - to tax and garner money from. if they were to face life or death, they could convert their religion, yes? this would see them become more accepted in burma, of course.

    But, let's say all else fails? how much would it cost to give them old boats fro china or japan or south korea? these are scrapped anyways, and then they will have their escape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett Nortje View Post
    It is in this place that these people are denied citizenship. this means they cannot work there. they end up living on boats, but, since the burmese do not want them there, they could get the working class's unemployed children to build them boats, yes?

    If they live in camps, this can be rectified by giving them low paying jobs - to tax and garner money from. if they were to face life or death, they could convert their religion, yes? this would see them become more accepted in burma, of course.

    But, let's say all else fails? how much would it cost to give them old boats fro china or japan or south korea? these are scrapped anyways, and then they will have their escape.

    http://time.com/3907039/the-plight-o...ames-nachtwey/
    I hear South Africa has plenty of land to settle them on.

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    Granny says, "Dat's right, call `em what dey are - Mooslums...

    Myanmar Wants US to Stop Referring to 'Rohingya'
    May 04, 2016 — Myanmar wants the U.S. Embassy to stop using the term “Rohingya,” when referring to the country’s unrecognized ethnic minority, a government official told VOA Wednesday. “We will be happy if the embassy refrains from using this term,” said Aung Lin, permanent secretary of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Continued use of the word “will not be helpful to us,” he added.
    The official said, however, he is "not aware yet" whether the ministry on Tuesday made a formal request to the embassy about the terminology. The embassy Wednesday declined to clarify whether there had been such communication the previous day, as reported by media. An embassy spokesman in Yangon, who did not want to be named, told VOA, “We do not comment on our diplomatic discussions with the government.” U.S. Ambassador Scot Marciel, in an April 28 news conference, however, rejected eschewing the term even if Myanmar's government will not use it, saying it is normal practice for the United States and the international community to recognize that “communities anywhere have the ability to decide what they should be called. And normally when that happens we would call them what they want to be called. It’s not a political decision; it’s just a normal practice.”


    Members of a Buddhist nationalist group shout slogans during a protest outside U.S. Embassy in Yangon, Myanmar against the embassy's April 20, 2016 statement with the word "Rohingya"

    The embassy has faced criticism from Myanmar's nationalists since it issued a statement of condolence after an April 19 maritime accident in which as many as 40 Rohingya drowned. The victims were traveling to a market and a hospital from a camp for internally displaced people in western Rakhine state. The embassy's statement linked the tragedy to restrictions on basic services in the state, which it said “can lead to communities unnecessarily risking their lives in an attempt to improve the quality of life.” Myanmar's government claims those calling themselves Rohingya are Bengalis who have illegally entered the country. Myanmar, a predominately Buddhist country, has received international criticism for its treatment of the mainly Muslim minority, which is largely denied citizenship and many other basic human rights.


    Rohingya Muslims travel on a boat along a river in Buthidaung township, Myanmar

    There had been expectation abroad that the plight of the Rohingya might improve after Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Aung San Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy took power last month. Others have pointed out, however, that neither Aung San Suu Kyi nor any of her deputies gave any indication – before or after the NLD's landslide victory last year – there would be policy changes concerning the Rohingya different from the situation under Myanmar’s military-led governments. The United Nations Special Rapporteur for Human Rights, early last month, gave Myanmar's incoming civilian government 100 days to improve living conditions for the Rohingya. The United Nations has repeatedly called for Myanmar to provide full rights for Rohingya, nearly all of whom were stripped of their citizenship in 1982, losing most of their rights to education, services and freedom of movement.


    A boy searches for useful items among the ashes of burnt down dwellings after a fire destroyed shelters at a camp for internally displaced Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar's western Rakhine State near Sittwe

    U.N. agencies estimate one tenth of the Rohingya population has fled Myanmar in the past four years following a 2012 outbreak of religious violence that left more than 200 dead. A fire swept through one predominately Rohingya camp in rural Sittwe on Tuesday, destroying or badly damaging structures housing about 2,000 people, according to the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA). At least 14 people were injured by the fire in the Baw Du Pha 2 Muslim IDP camp, which appears to have resulted from a cooking accident, according to OCHA, which added it could not verify unconfirmed reports of fatalities. “Local and humanitarian organizations are supporting the authorities in responding to immediate needs in medical aid and shelter, and in the coming days in assessing and responding to humanitarian needs such as food, water and sanitation, and other basic necessities,” said a statement issued by the U.N. agency.

    http://www.voanews.com/content/myanm...a/3314692.html

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    Mosque built too close to Buddhist temple...

    Myanmar mob torches mosque as religious tensions spike
    July 2, 2016 • Nearly 100 police guarded a northern Myanmar village Saturday after a Buddhist mob burned down a mosque, a police officer said, in the second attack of its kind in just over a week as anti-Muslim sentiment swells in the Southeast Asian nation.
    Buddhist-majority Myanmar has struggled to contain bouts of deadly religious bloodshed in recent years, with bristling sectarian tensions posing a core challenge to the new government led by Aung San Suu Kyi. The latest flare-up in violence saw throngs of Buddhist villagers in Hpakant, a jade-mining town in northern Kachin state, storm a mosque and set it ablaze on Friday. "The problem started because the mosque was built near a (Buddhist) pagoda. The Muslim people refused to destroy the building when the Buddhists discovered it," Moe Lwin, a local police officer, told AFP. He said around 90 police officers are now stationed in the village, where the situation has calmed. No arrests have been made, he added.

    The riot, which took place during the holy month of Ramadan, came eight days after a crowd of Buddhists destroyed another mosque in central Bago, forcing the Muslim community to seek refuge in a neighbouring town. Tensions are also simmering in western Rakhine, a state scarred by deadly riots in 2012 that left communities almost completely divided along religious lines. The region is home to the stateless Rohingya, a Muslim minority largely relegated to destitute displacement camps and subject to host of restrictions on their movements and access to basic services.

    Suu Kyi, a veteran democracy activist who championed her country's struggle against repressive military rulers, has drawn criticism from rights groups for not taking swifter moves to carve out a solution for the ethnic minority. Her government recently ordered officials to refer to the group as "people who believe in Islam in Rakhine State" instead of Rohingya -- a term whose use has set off protests by hardline Buddhists who insist the group are illegal immigrants from Bangladesh.

    Yet even the government's broad phrase has failed to placate local Rakhine Buddhists, who demand the group be referred to only as "Bengalis" and say they are preparing to rally in protest at the order on Sunday. After a 12-day visit to troubled Rakhine and other conflict sites in Myanmar, a UN rights investigator warned Friday that "tensions along religious lines remain pervasive across Myanmar society". Yanghee Lee urged the country's new civilian government to make "ending institutionalised discrimination against the Muslim communities in Rakhine State... an urgent priority".

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/myanmar-m...051137801.html

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    Burma tryin' to deal with it's Muslim problem...

    Burma soldiers accused of raping and killing Rohingya Muslims
    Tuesday 1st November, 2016 - Burmese leader Aung San Suu Kyi is facing international pressure over reports that soldiers have been killing, raping and burning homes of the country's Rohingya Muslims.
    The US State Department joined activist and aid groups in raising concerns about the escalating situation. Satellite imagery released on Monday by Human Rights Watch shows that at least three villages in the western state of Rakhine have been burned. Government officials deny the reports of attacks - just five months after the Nobel Peace Prize-winning leader took power. Presidential spokesman Zaw Htay said on Monday that United Nations representatives should visit "and see the actual situation in that region". The government has long made access to the region a challenge, generally banning foreign aid workers and journalists.

    But the U.N.'s special rapporteur on human rights in Burma, Yanghee Lee, said serious violations, including torture, summary executions, arbitrary arrests and destruction of mosques and homes, threaten the country's fledgling democracy. "The big picture is that the government does not seem to have any influence over the military," said Chris Lewa, director of the Arakan Project, an advocacy group that focuses on the Rohingya. Burma's widely criticized constitution was designed to give the armed forces power and independence.


    Burma armed forces patrol a border fence with Bangladesh in Maungdaw, Rakhine State

    A three-week surge in violence by the military was prompted by the killings of nine police officers at border posts on October 9 in Rakhine, home to Burma's 800,000 Rohingya. There have been no arrests, and a formerly unknown Islamist militant group has taken responsibility. Although they've lived in Burma for generations, Rohingya are barred from citizenship in the nation of 50 million, and instead live as some of the most oppressed people in the world.

    Since communal violence broke out in 2012, more than 100,000 people have been driven from their homes to live in squalid camps guarded by police. Some have tried to flee by boat, but many ended up becoming victims of human trafficking or were held for ransom. When Suu Kyi's party was elected earlier this year after more than five decades of military rule, the political shift offered a short, tense window of peace. But that quickly ended as the former political prisoner and champion of human rights failed to clamp down on military atrocities. The current crackdown has prompted an estimated 15,000 people in the Rakhine area to flee their homes in the past few weeks.

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    Muslims not goin' back to where they aren't wlecome...

    Rohingya Refugees in Bangladesh Vow Never to Return to Myanmar
    January 01, 2017 - Authorities in Dhaka have demanded that Myanmar repatriate tens of thousands of Rohingya Muslims who crossed the border to escape what they say is persecution, and are now living illegally in Bangladesh.
    Myanmar says it will accept a small fraction of the refugee population now in Bangladesh, but the Rohingya themselves say they are unwilling to go back to Myanmar's Rakhine state. Refugee community leaders are appealing to "Rohingya-friendly" countries to take them in. Ko Ko Linn, a Rohingya community leader in Bangladesh, told VOA that conditions in Myanmar had become unlivable, particularly in recent weeks, and "they do not want to return to this anti-Rohingya Myanmar."

    'Unlivable' situation

    Linn, an executive member of the Arakan Rohingya National Organization, said, "The Myanmar government and the country's Buddhist-majority society have turned extremely hostile against the Rohingya Muslims, turning the country into a hell for them." An Amnesty International report last month accused Myanmar security forces of being responsible for unlawful killings, multiple rapes and the burning down of houses and entire villages in a "campaign of violence against Rohingya people that may amount to crimes against humanity."


    Rohingya men have just arrived from Myanmar, at an unidentified place in Cox's Bazar district, Bangladesh.

    The Foreign Ministry of Bangladesh called in Myanmar's ambassador Thursday to complain about the refugees and to demand an early return of all Rohingya migrants to Myanmar. Kamrul Ahsan, Bangladesh's Bilateral and Consular Secretary, told Ambassador Myo Myint Than there is "deep concern at the continued influx of Muslims" from Myanmar. A Foreign Ministry statement in Dhaka said Ahsan asked "the Myanmar government to urgently address the root cause of the problem," so that the Rakhine Muslims are not forced to flee Myanmar and seek shelter in Bangladesh.

    Less than 1 percent can return

    One day after that tense meeting in Dhaka, Myanmar said it would agree to accept the return of fewer than 2,500 Rohingya from Bangladesh — less than 1 percent of the total refugee population, which is estimated to be at least 350,000 people. Authorities in Yangon contend most of the impoverished Rohingya now seeking shelter in Bangladesh are not citizens of Myanmar, because they are descended from illegal immigrants who arrived years ago. The Rohingya, however, claim their community has lived where Myanmar is located for several centuries.


    Rohingyas who fled Myanmar over the past decades live in this decrepit Kutupalong illegal Rohingya refugee colony in Cox’s Bazar district, Bangladesh.

    Separately, Bangladesh's foreign secretary, Shahidul Haque, said Myanmar's Aung San Suu Kyi is expected to send a special envoy to Bangladesh soon, to take stock of the Rohingya refugee situation. Violence directed at Rohingya Muslims has broken out in Myanmar sporadically in recent years, and members of the Muslim minority fleeing persecution kept crossing over to southeastern Bangladesh, which lies adjacent to their home villages in Rakhine state. The situation worsened considerably 11 weeks ago, however, after nine Myanmar border guards were killed in an armed attack blamed on Rohingya militants.

    Refugee tide swelled recently

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    Myanmar doesn't want troublesome Muslims...

    Buddhist monks protest arrival of Rohingya aid ship in Myanmar
    Feb. 9, 2017 -- Buddhist monks and other protesters demonstrated in Myanmar against the arrival of a ship from Malaysia carrying aid for thousands of Rohingya people.
    The protesters on Thursday waved Myanmar's national flag and signs reading "No Rohingya" in Yangon's Thilawa Port. Buddhist national groups are opposed to the presence of the ethnic Rohingya in Myanmar -- calling them illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, though many have lived in Myanmar for generations. The protesters also oppose using the word "Rohingya" at all because, to them, they are people from Bangladesh living illegally in Myanmar. The Rohingya are a Muslim minority in Myanmar.

    The aid ship, the Nautical Aliya, which carried more than 2,200 of cargo for Rohingyas in Myanmar and Bangladesh, docked at about 3 p.m. The ship will drop off 500 tons of aid in Myanmar before departing to Bangladesh. "We want to let them know that we have no Rohingya here," a Buddhist monk from the Yangon chapter of the Patriotic Myanmar Monks Union said at the docks.


    A man wears a headband reading "No Rohingya" during a protest outside the Thilawa Port where a Malaysian aid ship arrived in Yangon, Myanmar on Thursday. The aid ship from Malaysia carrying 230 volunteers, including 20 doctors and 10 medics, along with around 2,200 tons of food and emergency supplies, will drop 500 tons of supplies in Myanmar, while it will take the rest to Bangladesh

    More than 66,000 Rohingya Muslims have fled to Bangladesh from Myanmar since October 2016 after the army launched a military crackdown following an attack by a Rohingya militant group. Malaysia has been critical of Myanmar's treatment of the Rohingya since the start of the military crackdown accused of human rights abuses.

    The ship was met by a crowd of about 100 people -- including protesters but mostly journalists and local officials, such as Myanmar's Social Welfare, Relief and Resettlement Minister Win Myat Aye, Deputy Foreign Minister Datuk Seri Reezal Merican Naina Merican and Malaysian Ambassador to Myanmar Mohd Haniff.

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-Ne...&utm_medium=13

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    No ethnic cleansing of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar...

    Myanmar leader says no ethnic cleansing of Rohingya Muslims
    Sat Apr 8, 2017 | Myanmar leader Aung San Suu Kyi said ethnic cleansing was too strong a term to describe what was happening in the Muslim-majority Rakhine region, the BBC reported on Wednesday.
    "I don't think there is ethnic cleaning going on," Suu Kyi told the BBC in an interview when asked if she would be remembered as the Nobel Peace Prize winner who ignored ethnic cleansing in her own country. "I think ethnic cleansing is too strong an expression to use for what is happening," said Suu Kyi who is facing international criticism for her government's handling of a crisis in the Muslim-majority Rakhine region. Attacks on Myanmar border guard posts in October last year by a previously unknown insurgent group ignited the biggest crisis of Suu Kyi's year in power, with more than 75,000 Rohingya fleeing to Bangladesh in the ensuing army crackdown.


    Aung San Suu Kyi speaks during a news conference in Yangon

    A United Nations report issued earlier this year said Myanmar's security forces had committed mass killings and gang rapes against Rohingya during their campaign against the insurgents, which may amount to crimes against humanity. The military has denied the accusations, saying it was engaged in a legitimate counterinsurgency operation. "What we are trying to go for is reconciliation not condemnation," Suu Kyi told the BBC. "It is Muslims killing Muslims as well."

    When asked by the BBC whether perceptions of her as an amalgam of Indian independence hero Mahatma Gandhi and Mother Teresa of Calcutta were incorrect as she was more similar to former British leader Margaret Thatcher, she said: "Well no. I am just a politician. I am not quite like Margaret Thatcher, no. But on the other hand, I am no Mother Teresa either."

    http://in.reuters.com/article/myanma...-idINKBN1772XN

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    UN refugee head stirin' the pot, stickin' his nose in where it don't belong...

    UN refugee head calls for citizenship for Myanmar's Rohingya
    Jul 7,`17 -- The U.N.'s top official for refugee affairs said Friday that granting citizenship to members of Myanmar's Muslim Rohingya minority is crucial for achieving peace in the country's western state of Rakhine, but economic development is also necessary.
    United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi spoke in Bangkok after an official visit to Myanmar. The Rohingya face severe discrimination in Buddhist-majority Myanmar and were the targets of violence in Rakhine in 2012 that killed hundreds and drove about 140,000 people - predominantly Rohingya - from their homes to displacement camps, where most remain. The Rohingya have long been denied citizenship, freedom of movement and basic rights in Myanmar, where they are often seen as illegal immigrants from neighboring Bangladesh, although many have lived in the area for generations. "The Muslim community, the Rohingya community suffers from a set of rules and regulations that contributes to their marginalization," Grandi said at a news conference. "To this you must add the general situation of poverty and underdevelopment that affects everybody in the state of Rakhine."

    He said that in addition to providing the Rohingya with more freedom of movement and social services, "The Rakhine state where both communities coexist must see more development. There is an urgent need for development investments that must be, however, inclusive of the two communities." Grandi said he received assurances from Myanmar's top leader, Aung San Suu Kyi, that refugees from her country who have been sheltering in Thailand - many for decades - will be welcome back home. More than 100,000 refugees from Myanmar, virtually all from ethnic minorities, live in camps in Thailand near the border. Decades of fighting between the Myanmar army and ethnic guerrillas drove them to seek shelter in Thailand.

    The installation of Suu Kyi's civilian government last year after five decades of military-led rule has raised hopes they can go home, but intermittent fighting in many areas and the absence of a peace agreement have stalled large-scale repatriation. "Aung San Suu Kyi and the other ministers that I talked to agreed that the refugees were welcome back to Myanmar, but that it was important that such return must be voluntary and must be sustainable," said Grandi. "We cannot go back to a situation of insecurity or lack of resources."

    He said he also discussed the issue when he met with Thai Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha and other Thai government officials. "We agreed that it was important to pursue, to continue, the return of refugees from Thailand to Myanmar," Grandi said. Grandi next visits Bangladesh, which hosts hundreds of thousands of Rohingya from Myanmar who have entered since the 1970s.

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