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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    That would be the Jewish version, I guess. Pascal was desperately courting the Christians. Pascal's logic demands infinite loss.

    As I indicated from the get go, it's flawed logic based on flawed Christian assumptions.
    No, I was speaking of the Christian version. Your assumptions are flawed, because they come with a false assumption of Christianity.

    The Jewish version of Hell does not exist at all. I suppose you could be mistaking Sheol for that, but that is also completely wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Chris I'm just looking at his words. He did not express the bet both ways, only one way. Based on what he says in the bet, the corollary logically follows. Perhaps that's why his words have different understandings.
    Chris just can't seem to grasp that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Chris I'm just looking at his words. He did not express the bet both ways, only one way. Based on what he says in the bet, the corollary logically follows. Perhaps that's why his words have different understandings.
    What does this his summary say? "if you win, you win everything: if you lose, you lose nothing". I agree, only one bet, Pascal's, not Domer's, not Diderot's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Chris just can't seem to grasp that.

    Grasp what? Pascal wagered one thing, "if you win, you win everything: if you lose, you lose nothing". You and Who and Diderot wager another bet where you either win everything or lose everything. What else is there to grasp? You sure the heck cannot express it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal Jordan View Post
    No, I was speaking of the Christian version. Your assumptions are flawed, because they come with a false assumption of Christianity.

    The Jewish version of Hell does not exist at all. I suppose you could be mistaking Sheol for that, but that is also completely wrong.

    What Domer's saying--and it's extremely hard to tell as he's none too articulate--is what you said must be Jewish because there's no loss. Ironically, since you were explaining Pascal's Wager, Domer has recognized what Pascal argued.

    What we have here is someone with typical non-Christian misunderstandings of Judaism and Christianity, that Judaism has no hell and Christianity does. That misconceotion of Christian hell is then misapplied to Pascal's Wager. Pascal was Christian so he just had to believe in hell and infinite doom, just had to. People hear what they want to hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Not sure if I said this already, but every religion in human history has worshiped the same god. "God" is a universal energy beyond human understanding. It manifests Itself to all people in ways they understand. For some people, that is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For others, it is Jesus Christ, and Allah for still others.

    Unfortunately, again, this universal energy is beyond human understanding, so we humans frequently $#@! it up. Such is life.
    Congratulations. You are the first poster to ever make the same claim I make. That GOD is AWESOME power.

    I posited that on AOL forums by 2005. They used to grill me on what Awesome POWER means (you used energy which works fine) and my reply was take a very good look at the universe. Absorb it. Imagine nothing is there yesterday. Today it is there. I am not claiming it formed all at the same time, but it is said to start with the big bang. That is very awesome power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Congratulations. You are the first poster to ever make the same claim I make. That GOD is AWESOME power.

    I posited that on AOL forums by 2005. They used to grill me on what Awesome POWER means (you used energy which works fine) and my reply was take a very good look at the universe. Absorb it. Imagine nothing is there yesterday. Today it is there. I am not claiming it formed all at the same time, but it is said to start with the big bang. That is very awesome power.

    Ahh but every religion has it's own peace loving one true God that they kill and die for

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    Quote Originally Posted by southwest88 View Post
    I leave Islam aside, I don't know enough about it to have a reasonable opinion. But if Judaism rejects the triune God of Christianity, then How can Judaism & Christianity be said to worship the same God? If Jesus is not the Messiah, then He's not part of the triune God, & therefore - What, Christianity is wrong? Judaism is wrong?

    I understand the triune God to be central to Christianity, & that means that Judaism & Christianity can't be reconciled, short of one side or the other converting. (Judaism, after all this time, is not going to change their mind. & besides, Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. Or did I miss something there, too?)
    Judaism came before Christianity. The first part of the Bible is the Hebrew Torah.
    Jesus was a rabbi who went rogue on the establishment which is why the Rabbis were all for his death.

    The Romans were like ...meh...if you say so... ok.


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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Ahh but every religion has it's own peace loving one true God that they kill and die for
    every religion...?

    Buddhism doesn't have a one true God


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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Ahh but every religion has it's own peace loving one true God that they kill and die for
    I tend to separate GOD from religions. Save one of course. the LDS.

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