Someone explain to me...

[Captain Obvious]

you're going to need someone really stupid to answer it for you, i'm afraid, because as we all know, stupid questions require stupid answers.

good luck!

and he gets the punt away...

[Chris]

People generally, I believe, come here to work and get ahead. I think that's always been the case.

Immigration is good for diversity. Now don't go jumping on that as a buzz word. I don't mean legislated diversity but natural. Just like you need a mix in the gene pool to not only survive but thrive, you need a mix in the meme pool as a source of innovation. But that diversity carries a price, because your neighbor is not like you, in origin, in ancestry, etc, you can't count on how they will think and act so much, trust levels go down, and people turn to government to manage society. --That last bit about government is countered by the Scandinavian history of homogenous societies turning to socialism until the recent influx of Eurozone immigrants has weakened trust and brought about a turn to more conservative government.

Just some thoughts.

[del]

and he gets the punt away...

i've got more enjoyable ways of wasting my time than responding to stupid questions posted by people too lazy to do their own thinking, but i wish you the very best of luck on your search for truth.

srsly

[Chris]

i've got more enjoyable ways of wasting my time than responding to stupid questions posted by people too lazy to do their own thinking, but i wish you the very best of luck on your search for truth.

srsly

And yet here you are responding to what you consider a stupid topic. What exactly is the value in going around thread after thread, day after day, telling people they and topics are stupid? It sounds, frankly, stupid in itself.

[domer76]

... how immigration, now, today, makes us great?

How does flooding our country with impoverished criminals make us a better country?

We are already racially fractionalized and over-criminalized, how does flooding our country with flea infested goat herders, rapists and murders make us better? How does increasing our underperforming, undereducated, underclassed class improve us?

Someone explain that to me.

In my state, the farmers, ranchers and dairies benefit from illegals. I guess if one wants those products as inexpensive as they are, we benefit from illegals. At least, that's THEIR justification. My feeling is to fine the living $#@! out of (or jail) those people who hire the illegals. But that wouldn't do, since we'd have too many conservatives in trouble.

[Chris]

In my state, the farmers, ranchers and dairies benefit from illegals. I guess if one wants those products as inexpensive as they are, we benefit from illegals. At least, that's THEIR justification. My feeling is to fine the living $#@! out of (or jail) those people who hire the illegals. But that wouldn't do, since we'd have too many conservatives in trouble.

Actually I think you laid your finger on it but passed it up more partisan stuff, "products as inexpensive as they are." We're a nation of producers, yes, but more importantly consumers who want products cheaply. With the economy so slsow to recover you want to eliminate cheap labor and fine farmers and raise prices? In partisan terms, that won't get you elected.

[PolWatch]

Actually I think you laid your finger on it but passed it up more partisan stuff, "products as inexpensive as they are." We're a nation of producers, yes, but more importantly consumers who want products cheaply. With the economy so slsow to recover you want to eliminate cheap labor and fine farmers and raise prices? In partisan terms, that won't get you elected.

Consumer influence aside, the politicians rely on big donors and who benefits from cheap, illegal labor? We can kid ourselves all we want, but it always goes back to money. Big corps, small companies, all want cheap workers that won't complain about unsafe or illegal working conditions. They pay for this by buying a politician. The best government money can buy.

[Chris]

Consumer influence aside, the politicians rely on big donors and who benefits from cheap, illegal labor? We can kid ourselves all we want, but it always goes back to money. Big corps, small companies, all want cheap workers that won't complain about unsafe or illegal working conditions. They pay for this by buying a politician. The best government money can buy.

Farm subsidies, that generally go to huge corporations, milk the taxpayer for billions. Those corporations contribute to campaign coffers. And they are further protected with cheap labor. It's all very non-partisan.

Consumers don't realize much what it truly costs them.

[Ravens Fan]

... how immigration, now, today, makes us great?

How does flooding our country with impoverished criminals make us a better country?

We are already racially fractionalized and over-criminalized, how does flooding our country with flea infested goat herders, rapists and murders make us better? How does increasing our underperforming, undereducated, underclassed class improve us?

Someone explain that to me.

LEGAL immigration, IMO, is still a great thing for the country. I know/have known many legal immigrants who are proud Americans, work hard, and contribute to society. We get some of our greatest minds and people through legal immigration.

ILLEGAL immigration is what hurts us. I will not be like Trump and group them all together as criminals or vermin. I know that each person is different and some are very good people. That does not change the fact that they broke the law to get here. IMO, overall, they are a drain on our economy and in many cases have violent criminal backgrounds.

AFAIC all of the ILLEGAL immigrants need to be returned to their country of origin, and can go back to the end of the line. There are many good people who didn't break the law, didn't cut the line and therefore should become citizens first. The LEGAL immigrants I know, feel this exact way, and have for a long while. They feel cheated for working so hard to be here, and then to have the other people break the law and get to stay.

You will notice that I said nothing bad about Hispanics, nor any other nationality (not race). I don't care where they are from, if they break our laws to sneak in, why should we believe they will respect any other of our laws?

[Tahuyaman]

Cheap, illegal labor that can't/won't complain about unsafe/illegal conditions

Sure they will. They know that the same people who sponsored sanctuary cities will take up their case.