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    North Korea: We're not interested in Iran-style nuclear talks

    Notice a trend here?

    CNN Switched from covering a single plane crash exclusively to North Korea.

    North Korea and plane crashes, kinda similar actually when you think about it.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/asia/n...eal/index.html

    (CNN)North Korea says it has no interest in talks like those that resulted in a nuclear deal last week between Iran and world powers.

    The North Korean and Iranian situations are "quite different," a spokesman for North Korea's Foreign Ministry said Tuesday, according to the state-run Korean Central News Agency.

    The official reiterated North Korea's assertion that it is a "nuclear weapons state both in name and reality."

    "The DPRK is not interested at all in the dialogue to discuss the issue of making it freeze or dismantle its nukes unilaterally first," the spokesperson said, using an abbreviation of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the country's official name.
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    They should be. It worked out for Iran. There's no reason to think they would not be as successful.

    Maybe be they should try to snatch up a couple of Americans so our government can begin negotiations and ignore that.

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    No. Korean secret nuclear facility likely found...

    North Korea’s Secret Facility Likely Found At Early Stages Of Building Nuclear Weapons, Report Says
    7/22/16 - A secret facility used by North Korea in the early stages of building its program to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons has been found by a U.S. policy institute, Reuters reported Thursday. The news comes weeks after Pyongyang warned the United States of more nuclear tests and missile launches if Washington continues in its attempts to weaken the North Korean government through its policy of pressure and punishment.
    The Institute for Science and International Security said in its report that if the facility is confirmed, it would be critical to the success of any future nuclear deal. According to the report, authorities have always been in doubts about whether North Korea has disclosed all of its nuclear facilities. The secret facility has been reportedly found about 27 miles from the nuclear complex at Yongbyon. The institute’s report also claimed that the site may be at its early stage of the development of centrifuges that refine uranium hexafluoride gas into low-enriched and highly enriched uranium. "It is necessary to identify where North Korea enriches uranium and part of that is understanding where it has done it in the past," David Albright, the institute's president, said.

    North Korea's early centrifuge research and development facility was previously believed to have been inside an aircraft part factory inside a mountain next to Panghyon Air Base, the report seen by Reuters stated, adding that it was located using commercial satellite imagery. However, it was unclear if the aircraft part factory was still operational. Tensions have been escalating in the Korean Peninsula, after Pyongyang carried out its fourth underground nuclear test in January followed by a series of missile launches. In November 2010, North Korea revealed the existence of a production-scale gas centrifuge plant at Yongbyon, adding that it had no other such facilities.

    The new report, which cited an unidentified official, said that the site could have held between 200 and 300 centrifuges. North Korea's fourth nuclear test and a series of missile launches have been condemned by the international community while the reclusive country was slapped with harsh sanctions by the United Nations Security Council. Last month, Pyongyang criticized the U.S. for its joint military drills with South Korean, holding Washington responsible for nuclear war threat on the Korean Peninsula. The North also reportedly said that the U.S. did not have any right to talk about its denuclearization — something that Washington has been seeking from the isolated country.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/north-koreas-...eapons-2393898
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    Will THAAD make the Korean peninsula safer?
    July 21, 2016 - The South Koreans have agreed to deploy an anti-missile system in partnership with the United States, but to China, THAAD is about more than just a shield against North Korean attack.
    South Korea agreed earlier this month to the deployment of an anti-missile system, Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD), to provide defensive capabilities against its neighbor to the north. The United States had been suggesting the move for years, but Seoul only came on board in the face of increasingly frequent missile and nuclear tests by North Korea. Yet there are some who see the move as bearing far greater significance than a simple shield between two halves of a divided nation.

    China, in particular, has decried the move, saying it will destabilize an already fragile region and negatively affect “world peace.” The question, then, is whether the defensive capabilities THAAD provides will outweigh the diplomatic ripples – and other reactions – it may provoke. “I certainly don’t believe THAAD or any missile defense is a panacea,” says Jonathan Pollack, Interim SK-Korea Foundation Chair in Korea Studies, Center for East Asia Policy Studies, at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. “But if it inhibits North Korea, under some extreme circumstances, from using its capabilities, and instills some confidence in the government of South Korea to defend key assets and population areas in a more integrated fashion, then it’ll be money well spent.”


    US Department of Defense, Missile Defense Agency

    One of the fundamental questions: How much of a threat does North Korea actually pose to South Korea? The simple answer to that question is that nobody seems to know, bar the regime in Pyongyang, but the rhetoric – and continued missile and nuclear tests – seems intended to instill fear. The latest round of ballistic missile tests by North Korea on Tuesday, seen as a reaction to South Korea's decision to deploy THAAD, came with the explicit explanation, according to the North’s official KCNA news agency, that they were simulating “preemptive strikes at ports and airfields in the operational theater in South Korea.” This was just the latest in a series of missile tests by Pyongyang, accompanied by a nuclear test earlier this year. In the face of such activities, as Mr. Pollack says, while it is difficult to fathom how real the threat truly is, “to assume benign intentions would be imprudent.”

    In seeking to counteract that threat, however real it may be, THAAD is a decent option, says Thomas Karako, director of the Missile Defense Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington, citing a perfect intercept record in trials to date. Yet, as Dr. Karako is keen to emphasize, missile defense systems are not intended to “sit and play catch.” That is to say, they may not be able to prevent every missile from finding its target in the event of an attack, but integrated into the overall military structure, they can provide valuable support. “In the event of an attack, the aim [of a missile defense system] is to defend critical infrastructure,” says Karako. “North Korea wouldn’t be able to decapitate the military in the south, and so THAAD would buy time to bring the full military forces to bear.”

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    5 reasons why China won't help the US on North Korea
    April 25, 2013 - North Korea tested its third nuclear device in February after launching the equivalent of an intercontinental ballistic missile in December.
    Then the Kim regime threatened to rain missiles on Hawaii and Guam with the hope, it is widely thought, that the world would accept the North as a normal, nuclear power. US policymakers believe China, on whom the North is heavily dependent, can exercise leverage and help the US get North Korea to step into line. During an April visit to Beijing, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey said the Chinese were working to help with the North, “But, I didn’t gain any insights into particularly how they would do that,” he said. Many Asia watchers are dubious that China either can or will take decisive action to push North Korea. Here are five underlying reasons why:

    1. China needs friends

    China wants to fulfill international expectations and live up to its emerging status as a great power, but it has a long history with North Korea. China might be nervous, say analysts, that the North could actually get serious one-on-one talks with Washington and flip loyalties. Many Chinese look at North Korea – isolated, poor, ideological – and see themselves 30 years ago. Back then China and the North were as “close as lips and teeth” – fellow traveling revolutionaries and former war partners against the imperialists. But the world is changing. When Beijing looks around Asia, it can see some abrupt flips of position and loyalty: Myanmar, one of China’s previous pets, suddenly looks like it may come out of its dark cocoon and make friends with others. Vietnam, long a Chinese fellow-traveler, has turned away as well. China may not want to lose such a strategic card and partner as the North.

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    Granny says tell Fatboy Kim to give up his nuclear bombs an' missles first...

    U.N. fund to provide North Korea with $4.3MM for flood relief
    Sept. 30, 2016 -- The United Nations' humanitarian fund is planning to supply North Korea with $4.35 million for flood relief.
    A day after the U.N. Central Emergency Relief Fund agreed to deploy $4.1 million to flood recovery assistance the agency agreed to add another $250,000 in funds for maternal health services on Thursday, Voice of America reported. Individual governments are also supporting the relief efforts, according to VOA. On Friday the government of Thailand stated its mission representative in Pyongyang sent $300,000 for flood relief to the International Committee of the Red Cross in Beijing.

    The International Red Cross had recently stated it has worked together with the North Korean Red Cross to deliver blankets, cooking utensils and toiletries to over 30,000 North Koreans who are being housed in temporary shelters after floods forced out hundreds of thousands of people from their homes. The organization has said more support is needed, according to South Korean news agency Yonhap.

    The U.N. decision to send international aid to North Korea despite recent provocations, including a fifth nuclear test on Sept. 5, comes after meetings between Pyongyang's Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho and heads of various U.N. agencies during the 71st United Nations General Assembly. The floods that affected the northeastern region of the country in late August have been described as "catastrophic" and the worst since the end of World War II by North Korean state media.

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    North Korea's foreign minister made appeals for flood aid, report says
    Sept. 30, 2016 -- North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho confidentially petitioned for international flood assistance during the 71st United Nations General Assembly.
    Ri, who had told the U.N. Pyongyang has no plans to suspend its nuclear weapons program, also met with U.N. agency representatives with a request for humanitarian assistance, Radio Free Asia reported Thursday. The floods that affected the northeastern region of the country in late August have been described as "catastrophic" and the worst since the end of World War II by North Korean state media.

    The U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs also confirmed emergency relief coordinator Stephen O'Brien had met with Ri and the U.N. Development Program stated Ri had met with UNDP Administrator Helen Clark. A U.N. source who spoke to RFA on the condition of anonymity said Ri met with the U.N. officials specifically to request for help with flood recovery.

    Aid has already been extended from the International Federation of the Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, and though China has not confirmed the report, North Korea has stated Beijing reached out with plans for flood assistance. Ri had also met with officials at UNICEF to express gratitude to the U.N. children's agency for apportioning some of its 2017-2021 budget of $71.4 million to North Korea.

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-Ne...?spt=sec&or=tn
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    North Korea says China offered flood assistance
    Sept. 29, 2016 - Chinese organizations did not confirm the report on Thursday.
    North Korea said Thursday China reached out with plans for flood assistance after a "catastrophic" deluge forced hundreds of thousands of North Koreans out of their homes in late August. Pyongyang's state-controlled news agency KCNA reported Beijing plans to donate "material resources" to assist with flood recovery. "The government of the People's Republic of China agreed to donate material resources for flood damage in the North Hamgyong Province" of North Korea, the statement read.

    Pyongyang also said the Red Cross Society of China and the Chinese Embassy in Pyongyang carried out flood aid projects. KCNA did not specify the number of articles or the scale of the donation. The floods, described as "catastrophic" have left hundreds dead and missing, according to Pyongyang state media. Aid has been extended from the International Federation of the Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.

    China did not issue a public statement on Thursday confirming North Korea's report. But China may have allowed North Korean officials to cross the border after the United States decided to pursue sanctions against Hongxiang Industrial, Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun reported on Thursday. The officials traveled to Dandong, the Chinese border city where the firm, suspected of exporting dual-use goods to North Korea, is located.

    A source who spoke to the Asahi on the condition of anonymity said the officials might have been dispatched as concerns grew in Pyongyang regarding the negative effects U.S. sanctions would have on China-North Korea trade. Hongxiang Industrial is suspected of sending aluminum oxide to North Korea, which can be used in developing the centrifuges used in uranium enrichment.

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-Ne...?spt=sec&or=tn

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    It is a mistake to give NK a cent. Starve them out.

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    U.N. fund to provide North Korea with $4.3MM for flood relief
    Sept. 30, 2016 -- The United Nations' humanitarian fund is planning to supply North Korea with $4.35 million for flood relief.


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    North Korea's foreign minister made appeals for flood aid, report says
    Sept. 30, 2016 -- North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho confidentially petitioned for international flood assistance during the 71st United Nations General Assembly.


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    North Korea says China offered flood assistance
    Sept. 29, 2016 - Chinese organizations did not confirm the report on Thursday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    It is a mistake to give NK a cent. Starve them out.
    The Neocons had an answer in the early 50's. There would be one Korea today given we'd had our way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    The Neocons had an answer in the early 50's. There would be one Korea today given we'd had our way.
    Impossible. Neocons didn't exist in the 1950s. Read the history books. Don't just chew on the covers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Impossible. Neocons didn't exist in the 1950s. Read the history books. Don't just chew on the covers.
    McArthor? That you?

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    Some supported the taking of the Korean Peninsula. Some suggested we openly support Chinese forces. Some pushing invasion, occupation, and nation building on a scale so massive(the policies McArthor himself claims are neocon).....they had to be fired. Removed from office.

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    https://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-War.../dp/0385260334

    The Clay Blair book, Pete. Read...and at least...for Christ's sake...learn to spell MacArthur

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