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    History of tariffs in the US

    An interesting history of tariffs in the US - in an article meant to show Americans use to like taxes. There is even a tie into the Civil War.

    The answer is that 19th-century Americans supported taxation, which at that time meant tariffs on foreign goods. The idea that U.S. citizens have always and forever hated taxes is a myth first propagated by antebellum Southern slaveholders, which only gained currency during the 20th century. Indeed, love of the tariff made it harder for Congress to replace duties with more remunerative—but less loveable—income taxes, necessary to fund modern armies and navies. It was this popularity that made smuggling seem unpatriotic and a threat to the health of the nation.
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    Tariffs were also the core of early American foreign policy. Recalling the successful Stamp Act boycott of 1765, Virginia Rep. James Madison endorsed import duties, believing theycould give the republic economic leverage to compensate for its lack of military might. Though tariffs proved inadequate to the task of repelling the Great Powers, they became the country’s main tool in negotiating with Latin America, the Caribbean and the Pacific.

    In an era when Congress had little Constitutional power to effect policy, the founders believed—correctly or incorrectly—the tariff promoted a diverse, productive and harmonious economy. Hamilton contended that America’s infant industries, like the New England mills, required protection to survive. The U.S. needed manufacturing because the alternative was to remain dependent on English goods, as the colonies had been before 1776. True American independence required an economy possessing not only fields of golden grain, but also livestock, tanneries, spindles, looms and forges.


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    Well, tariffs today would be completely incapable of funding the federal government even if a 100% tariff were levied on imports and it had no impact on the propensity to consume imports. Prior to the Civil War the relative size of the federal government compared to the economy as a whole was absolutely miniscule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newpublius View Post
    Well, tariffs today would be completely incapable of funding the federal government even if a 100% tariff were levied on imports and it had no impact on the propensity to consume imports. Prior to the Civil War the relative size of the federal government compared to the economy as a whole was absolutely miniscule.
    Correct.

    Not practical today as the sole source of revenue.
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    And let's not forget the Nullification Crisis with respect to 'liking' it

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    Granny says, "Dat's right - dat'll teach dem Chinamens a lesson...

    Trump announces $50bn in China tariffs
    22 Mar`18 - The US plans to impose roughly $50bn in tariffs on Chinese goods and limit the country's investment activity in the US as payback for what it alleges is years of intellectual property theft.
    The White House said the actions are a necessary step to counter unfair competition from China's state-led economy. It says years of talks about the issue failed to produce change. China said it was ready to retaliate with "necessary measures". US President Donald Trump said he is looking for "reciprocal" trade terms for American companies. "We've spoken to China and we're in the midst of a very large negotiation," he said at the White House as he signed a memo regarding the activities. "We'll see where it takes us."

    What is behind the tariffs?

    The tariffs follow an investigation of Chinese policies that US President Donald Trump ordered in August. The White House said the review found a range of "unfair" practices, including using restrictions on foreign ownership that pressure companies into transferring technology. The US also found evidence that China imposes unfair terms on US companies; steers investments in the US to strategic industries; and conducts and supports cyber attacks.


    The White House said it has prepared a list of more than 1,000 products that could be targeted by tariffs. Businesses will have the opportunity to comment before the final list goes into effect. The US will also seek to bring complaints about unfair licensing terms to the World Trade Organization, officials said. America's top trade negotiator, Robert Lighthizer, said protecting US technology is critical to America's economic future. "This is an extremely important action, very significant, very, very important for the future of the country," he said.

    What has China said?

    On Thursday, China's commerce ministry said it was ready to retaliate against the new tariffs. "China will not sit idly by and let its legitimate rights and interests be harmed, and will certainly take all necessary measures to resolutely defend its legitimate rights and interests," it said in a statement. According to the Wall Street Journal, China is preparing to hit back with tariffs aimed at President Donald Trump's support base. This would include levies targeting US agricultural exports from Farm Belt states.

    Does the move have wider support in the US?
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    EU and six other countries exempted from US metals tariffs
    22 Mar`18 - A senior US official has said that the European Union (EU) and six other countries will be exempt from steel and aluminium tariffs announced by President Trump, at least temporarily.
    Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer told a Senate panel that Mr Trump had decided to "pause" the import duties while further discussions took place. The tariffs of 25% on steel and 10% on aluminium are due to come into effect on Friday. The EU had argued it should be exempt. Aside from the EU Mr Lighthizer said Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Mexico and South Korea would be exempted. "The idea that the president has is that, based on a certain set of criteria, that some countries should get out," he told the Senate committee hearing. "There are countries with whom we're negotiating and the question becomes the obvious one that you think, as a matter of business, how does this work? "So what he has decided to do is to pause the imposition of the tariffs with respect to those countries."


    Earlier this month, the EU's trade commissioner said the bloc would "stand up to the bullies" over protectionism. Cecilia Malmström said protectionism was being "used as a weapon to threaten and intimidate us".

    Analysis: By Kim Gittelson, New York business correspondent

    In announcing exemptions for the European Union, Argentina, Australia, South Korea and Brazil, the Trump administration has effectively narrowed the countries that it is targeting with its protectionist trade policies. It also blunts the potential fallout to the US economy from the implementation of these trade barriers. It pays to do some maths. US imports of steel last year totalled $33bn. But if the countries granted exemptions are removed from that total - including Canada and Mexico, whose exemptions had already been announced - then less than a third of US steel imports would be subject to tariffs.

    This significantly lowers the potential economic impact of the tariffs - as well as the potential help it might provide to domestic steel industry here in the United States. And it suggests that in steel tariffs, as with many policy actions the White House has taken, the reality of what is being done falls slightly short of the rhetoric.

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    Stock market plunges on fears of trade tensions between the U.S. and China...

    Stock market plunges on fears of trade tensions between the U.S. and China
    Mar 22, 2018 — Stocks plunged, sending the Dow Jones industrials down more than 700 points, as investors feared that trade tensions will spike between the U.S. and China.
    The Trump administration announced trade sanctions against China Thursday, and Beijing has said it will defend itself. Industrial and technology companies, which depend heavily on foreign trade, took some of the worst losses. Boeing, Caterpillar and Microsoft all fell sharply.


    Traders work on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange shortly after the opening bell in New York

    Bond prices surged as investors sought cover, sending yields lower. High-dividend stocks like utilities, another safe-play investment, rose. U.S. indexes had their worst drops since February 8.

    The S&P 500 index dropped 68 points, or 2.5 percent, to 2,643, erasing its gain for the year. The Dow sank 724 points, or 2.9 percent, to 23,957. The Nasdaq lost 178 points, or 2.4 percent, to 7,166.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...-u-s-and-china
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    Stocks tumble to worst day in six weeks after Trump tariff action
    March 22, 2018 - U.S. stocks slumped on Thursday as President Donald Trump’s move to impose tariffs on up to $60 billion of Chinese imports drove fears about the impact on the global economy, fueling the biggest percentage declines in Wall Street’s three major indexes since they entered correction territory six weeks ago.
    Trump signed a presidential memorandum that will target the Chinese imports only after a consultation period. China will have space to respond, reducing the risk of immediate retaliation from Beijing. But after equities recovered somewhat from earlier lows, selling pressure resumed on Wall Street heading into the close as investors fretted over the potential scale of U.S tariffs and possible impact on global trade. “There’s too much negative sentiment right now,” said John Carey, portfolio manager at Amundi Pioneer Asset Management in Boston. “It’s possible that it will be rough sledding for a while. I don’t see anything on the horizon that will reassure people that things are just great.”

    Major industrials slumped. Plane maker Boeing Co lost 5.2 percent, Caterpillar Inc dropped 5.7 and 3M Co lost 4.7. The three were among the biggest drags on the Dow Jones Industrial Average. The S&P industrials sector plunged 3.28 percent. The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 724.42 points, or 2.93 percent, to 23,957.89, the S&P 500 lost 68.24 points, or 2.52 percent, to 2,643.69, and the Nasdaq Composite dropped 178.61 points, or 2.43 percent, to 7,166.68. The losses marked the biggest daily percentage drop for each of the major indexes since Feb. 8, when the Dow and S&P confirmed a market correction from their Jan. 26 highs. Selling was broad, with only the defensive utilities 0.44on the plus side, up 0.44 percent, out of 11 major S&P sectors.

    The CBOE Volatility Index, the most widely followed barometer of expected near-term volatility in the S&P 500, finished up 5.48 points at 23.34, its highest close since Feb. 13.23.34. U.S. treasury prices gained as investors sought out safe havens. Benchmark 10-year notes last rose 23/32 in price to yield 2.8244 percent, from 2.907 percent late on Wednesday. The drop in yields weighed on financial stocks, which were down 3.70 percent, making them the worst performing of the major sectors.

    Another decline in shares of Facebook Inc, down 2.7 percent, continued to weigh on the broader market and the tech sector, the best performing S&P group for this year. The S&P technology index fell 2.69 percent on fears of greater regulation in the wake of the Facebook data leak. Facebook Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg said he was open to additional government regulation and happy to testify before the U.S. Congress. AbbVie Inc tumbled 12.8 percent after the drugmaker said it would not seek accelerated approval for its experimental lung cancer treatment based on results from a mid-stage study.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUKKBN1GY1IF
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    Granny says, "Dat's right - Chinamens stealin' our IP's...

    How much has US lost from China's IP theft?
    March 23, 2018 | 7-month investigation into theft conducted
    President Donald Trump has slapped tariffs on $50 billion worth of Chinese goods, taking aim at China's theft of U.S. intellectual property. The United States has long said that intellectual property theft has cost the U.S. economy billions of dollars in revenue and thousands of jobs. So just how much damage has it done? The United States Trade Representative, which led the seven-month investigation into China's intellectual property theft and made recommendations to the Trump administration, found that "Chinese theft of American IP currently costs between $225 billion and $600 billion annually." Those numbers are in line with a 2017 report from the Commission on the Theft of American Intellectual Property.

    Chinese officials have said that protecting foreign companies' intellectual property rights is important to China. But many of its companies appear to have missed that memo. "China has sought to acquire U.S. technology by any means, licit or illicit," James Andrew Lewis, senior vice president at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, wrote in a blog post Thursday. "Espionage and theft were part of this, but so were forced technology transfers or mandatory joint ventures as a condition for doing business in China," he wrote.

    One of the most recent high profile examples of theft of U.S. intellectual property happened earlier this year. In January, a Beijing-based wind turbine company was found guilty in the U.S. of stealing trade secrets, using secretly downloaded source code stolen from a Massachusetts company. Forced technology transfer is also a growing concern for U.S. companies, especially tech firms. To get an idea of how much forced technology transfer costs the U.S., some experts say to look at the costs associated with the theft of trade secrets. Total theft of U.S. trade secrets accounts for anywhere from $180 billion to $540 billion per year, according to the Commission on the Theft of American Intellectual Property -- as "the world's principal IP infringer," China accounts for the most of that theft.

    Those numbers are likely to go up, as China doubles down on policies that could lead to the acquisition of foreign technology and information -- like the controversial new cybersecurity law that went into effect last year. One of the most contentious parts of the law involves measures that allow China to conduct security reviews of technology products and services that could affect national security. Critics slammed the plans as intrusive and trade-inhibiting, and industry organizations, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, say they are concerned over unfair advantages for Chinese companies and trade barriers. Beijing says the new law is meant to strengthen the protection of personal information and combat online fraud.

    https://www.local10.com/money/how-mu...hinas-ip-theft

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    China plans retaliation for Trump tariffs...

    China plans tariffs on $3B worth of U.S. goods after Trump order
    March 22, 2018 -- The Chinese government plans to impose tariffs on $3 billion worth of imports of U.S. goods in response to President Donald Trump's tariff announcement Thursday.
    China's Commerce Ministry said it compiled a list of 120 products worth about $1 billion including fresh fruit and wine that will face a 15 precent tariff it both countries fail to resolve trade differences "within a stipulated time." A 25 percent tariff on other goods such as pork and aluminum, could also be imposed after "further evaluating the impact of U.S. measures on China." "China will certainly take all necessary measures to resolutely defend its legitimate rights and interests," Beijing's Ministry of Commerce said in a statement Thursday.


    A soldier stands in Tiananmen Square at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China, Tuesday. Chinese officials said Thursday they will take all necessary measures to guard against potential new U.S. tariffs.

    Trump signed a presidential order to impose new tariffs, which could be worth about $60 billion, on imported Chinese products, as a means to stem "economic aggression" by Beijing. Trump has said new tariffs will help lower the $375 billion U.S. trade deficit with China, while punishing what he says are unfair Chinese trade practices. The plan would affect imports that made up roughly 10 percent of Chinese goods sent to the United States last year. The newly ordered tariffs are the first time the Trump administration has directly targeted China with trade sanctions. The administration's recent pledge to impose tariffs on foreign-made steel, aluminum and solar panels also impacts China.

    Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said China-U.S. economic relations are mutually beneficial, have opened vast markets and created a significant number of jobs in both countries in the last 40 years. "[A] trade war will only produce losers. The legendary impenetrable 'super armor' that shields one from any harm simply does not exist," Hua said. "We want no trade war with anyone, but if our hands are forced, we will not quail nor recoil from it. "If the day did come when the U.S. took measures to hurt our interests, we will definitely take firm and necessary countermeasures to safeguard our legitimate interests." During a news conference Wednesday, Hua said trade with China has also lowered financial burdens for U.S. families. In 2015, China-U.S. trade helped each family save $850 on average, she said.

    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...&utm_medium=19
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    China Warns US Actions Could Push Ties into Danger Zone
    March 23, 2018 — China responded swiftly to President Donald Trump's announced plans to levy tariffs on up to $60 billion on Chinese goods, warning the proposed move risks pushing trade relations into the danger zone.
    In a statement early Friday, just hours after President Trump signed a memo paving the way for major tariffs on nearly 1,300 Chinese imports, China's Commerce Ministry called on Washington to carefully consider its next policy steps, urging it to "pull back from the brink." The ministry also announced in a separate statement on Friday it was mulling retaliatory measures to steel and aluminum tariffs announced by the Trump administration earlier this month. In the statement, the ministry said if necessary it would target 128 different U.S. imports. The measures include a possible 15 percent tariff on goods such as fruits, nuts, wine and steel pipes and a 25 percent levy on pork and aluminum imports.

    China has said the actions, which amount to some $3 billion in trade, will be put into place if a trade remedy agreement cannot be reached between China and the United States. Beijing also said it will take action at the World Trade Organization in response to Trump's trade actions to protect its rights. China has said if it has to fight a trade war, it will fight to the end.

    Titans clash

    Despite the tough talk, Beijing has come up with little in the way of retaliatory action. Its $3 billion plan in targeted U.S. goods is still a tiny fraction of Washington's $60 billion trade restriction plan. For now, Beijing seems to be avoiding a head-on collision in the trade arena and focusing on optics. Raymond Yeung, a senior economist for Greater China at the Australia and New Zealand Banking Group (ANZ Banking Group), said he was not surprised by Beijing's response to the announcement. But, clearly the Trump administration's approach has hit a nerve for China, he added. "I don't think the figures matter, I think the focus should be more on the worsening of the relationship of the two biggest nations in the world, which is much more important," Yeung said. On Friday, markets were clearly concerned about the broader impact the growing dispute could have as the announcement shook stock indexes across the region.

    Pressure points

    China has taken note of the strong backlash in response to the steel and aluminum tariffs announced earlier this month and suggested it could work together with other nations at the World Trade Organization who are also in opposition. But that may not be easy. Late Thursday, after the announced China trade actions, the White House announced temporary exemptions for the steel and aluminum tariffs for a number of countries including Canada, Mexico, South Korea Australia and the European Union. And the United States is not the only country concerned with China's practices of forced technology transfers in joint ventures, subsidies for state-owned companies, and intellectual property theft.

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    Uncle Ferd says ya can't trust a Chinaman...

    The Trade Issue That Most Divides U.S. and China Isn’t Tariffs
    MARCH 26, 2018 — China has struck a hard stance on the issue at the root of the looming trade fight between Beijing and Washington: China’s government-led drive, which Washington describes as breaking international rules, to build the cutting-edge industries of the future.
    Chinese officials in recent days have been defending the government’s ambitious plan, known as Made in China 2025, to create globally competitive players in industries like advanced microchips, driverless cars and robotics. While Beijing has signaled a willingness to compromise on other matters, the intractable standoff over its core industrial policy could prolong a trade fight that has already shaken markets and led to concerns about a full-blown trade war. “We are three years into the implementation of Made in China 2025, and we will keep going,” Miao Wei, China’s minister of industry and information technology, said on Monday, the last day of a three-day economic policy forum in the Chinese capital. The Trump administration has threatened to impose tariffs on imports involving many of the industries being developed under the Made in China 2025 program. Administration officials strongly object to the program’s goal of having Chinese companies dominate these advanced industries, particularly in the Chinese market.

    Washington has also protested that companies in the targeted industries have been offered loans at low interest rates by state-controlled Chinese banks. The White House argues that will result in global capacity gluts that could drive down prices and destroy the viability of tech companies in the West, as well as in countries, like Japan and South Korea, that are allied with the United States. “China has engaged for a very long time in the theft of our intellectual property as well as practices like forced technology transfer,” Peter Navarro, President Trump’s trade adviser, said on CNBC on Monday. “We’re hopeful that China will basically work with us to address some of these practices.” Mr. Navarro on Monday tried to calm financial markets, which were rattled last week by the prospect of a trade war. He emphasized that “growth and stability” were the aim of Mr. Trump’s policy goal of ensuring that trade with the United States is fair and reciprocal.

    Investors’ fears of a trade war seemed to subside some on Monday. The Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index climbed 2.7 percent, the Dow Jones industrial average rose 2.8 percent and the Nasdaq composite jumped 3.3 percent. Whether an agreement that forestalls a protracted economic conflict can be reached remains unclear. The two nations, whose markets are highly integrated, have engaged in discussions for years with little to show as a result. Talks between the United States and China stalled last summer, and the Comprehensive Economic Dialogue between two countries has produced little progress. The Trump administration has largely shunned the highly structured discussions of past administrations, which were used to try to reach agreement on economic and security issues. The White House now views those channels as producing largely hollow promises by the Chinese and has shifted toward engaging directly with senior-level Chinese counterparts.

    On Saturday, just two days after the administration announced tariffs on up to $60 billion worth of Chinese imports, Steven Mnuchin, the Treasury secretary, called Liu He, China’s economic czar, to congratulate him on his new role of vice premier. The two discussed the trade tensions, including reducing tariffs on American cars and opening up China’s financial services sector to American firms. “They also discussed the trade deficit between our two countries and committed to continuing the dialogue to find a mutually agreeable way to reduce it,” a Treasury spokeswoman said. China’s official news agency, Xinhua, characterized the call between Mr. Mnuchin and Mr. Liu as confrontational, with Mr. Liu warning Mr. Mnuchin that America’s trade actions against China were straining economic ties between the countries.

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