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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    You and I normally agree.

    It is about competence but, and this but is huge, you want competence and to kick them out means you operate as if competence is a folly, a sin. A bad deal.
    You misunderstood. It is not about competence. It is about representation. Today the people are not represented in the House and the states are not represented in the Senate. An article V convention of states can fix both problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    You misunderstood. It is not about competence. It is about representation. Today the people are not represented in the House and the states are not represented in the Senate. An article V convention of states can fix both problems.
    i am afraid new people won't solve that. Think of something else.

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    Years ago, me and others were working hard to remove the 17th amendment from the Constitution. We plowed that field daily. We were dealing with congress during the 1980s. I wanted the 16th revoked too but the group stuck to the 17th. We gave Congress plenty of solid reasons to go back to the founders system. We decided to try to get a states convention to work on it.

    Do you recall us revoking the 17th amendment?

    LOL

    It still has not happened and this is 20 years later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    i am afraid new people won't solve that. Think of something else.
    Bob it has little to do with new people. It has to do with refreshing the representatives. No one should make a career of politics. Our representatives should make laws they know will apply to themselves. And states need representation. That is what the Senate is for. When state legislators pick senators we will once again have a brake on tyranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    When state legislators pick senators we will once again have a brake on tyranny.
    your use of the word "when" suggests you think that such a change is coming soon, perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maineman View Post
    your use of the word "when" suggests you think that such a change is coming soon, perhaps?
    What he doesnt realize is that what HIS choice for refreshing change may very well be the minority.
    His isnt the only opinion on whats change
    LETS GO BRANDON
    F Joe Biden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Years ago, me and others were working hard to remove the 17th amendment from the Constitution. We plowed that field daily. We were dealing with congress during the 1980s. I wanted the 16th revoked too but the group stuck to the 17th. We gave Congress plenty of solid reasons to go back to the founders system. We decided to try to get a states convention to work on it.

    Do you recall us revoking the 17th amendment?

    LOL

    It still has not happened and this is 20 years later.

    The ratification of the 16th was likely illegal as representatives acted against there state Constitutions by giving away state's rights

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Bob it has little to do with new people. It has to do with refreshing the representatives. No one should make a career of politics. Our representatives should make laws they know will apply to themselves. And states need representation. That is what the Senate is for. When state legislators pick senators we will once again have a brake on tyranny.
    As with most jobs, there is a huge amount to learn to be an effective representative or Senator. The term limits are there today. Your representative is limited to 2 years unless his constituents believe he has done well enough to earn a new term. This also has a limit of 2 years.

    The Senate limit is 6 years and one more time they get a chance to redeem themselves.

    We are in lockstep over the selection of the Senate.

    I think also the nation could heal if the president were not voted on by we the public. I would gladly forfeit voting for him and rely only on the electors, if for nothing else, more harmony inside the country and less divisiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    The ratification of the 16th was likely illegal as representatives acted against there state Constitutions by giving away state's rights
    We can discuss that more since I have yet to consider it from that point of view.

    Joe Bannister says he did a personal investigation and proved the states did not ratify the 16th amendment that the Democrats rely on to hit the rich unfairly with such high taxes. At least not enough states ratified it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    We can discuss that more since I have yet to consider it from that point of view.

    Joe Bannister says he did a personal investigation and proved the states did not ratify the 16th amendment that the Democrats rely on to hit the rich unfairly with such high taxes. At least not enough states ratified it.

    There were reportedly several issues among them at least two representatives breaking their state Constitution by voting for the" pork barrel amendment "

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