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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Fan View Post
    I never said there was. Just because you have the right to bear arms does not mean that you have the right to shoot another person with it. There are laws on the books already that address all of this...
    Except the need to secure your weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Except the need to secure your weapons.
    Because that is not a function of government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Fan View Post
    Because that is not a function of government.
    Then the parents of the child who was shot by the other child should have the right to lynch the parent who didn't secure their gun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Then the parents of the child who was shot by the other child should have the right to lynch the parent who didn't secure their gun?
    Now you are jumping subjects. We were talking about guns being stolen from someone's home, not irresponsible parenting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Fan View Post
    Now you are jumping subjects. We were talking about guns being stolen from someone's home, not irresponsible parenting.
    No, it's the same subject. Not securing your weapons not only leaves them open to theft but allows others, including children to get their hands on them. There is no law in many states requiring weapons to be secured against children or invited guests either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    No, it's the same subject. Not securing your weapons not only leaves them open to theft but allows others, including children to get their hands on them. There is no law in many states requiring weapons to be secured against children or invited guests either.
    I think that parents should be responsible enough to keep their guns away from their children. I do not think it should be law.

    I think parents should keep poisonous chemicals locked up too, but I don't think it should be law.

    As to guests, they shouldn't be going through your things anyways...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Fan View Post
    I think that parents should be responsible enough to keep their guns away from their children. I do not think it should be law.

    I think parents should keep poisonous chemicals locked up too, but I don't think it should be law.

    As to guests, they shouldn't be going through your things anyways...
    Meh, you invite 10 eight year olds over for a birthday party and one finds your unsecured guns and shoots another kid - whose fault is it? If there is no law, what is the recourse for the family of the dead kid? Civil law? Money paid by insurance companies doesn't really punish the irresponsible. Your 15 year old asks a friend back after school when you are at work and that kid is a snoop and finds your unsecured Glock on the bed stand and doesn't realize it's loaded ....your three year old grandchild wanders around your house and finds a gun... No one watches kids 100% of the time. No one watches their guests 100 percent of the time. The fact is that guns can be lethal 100% of the time when pointed directly at another person. If you don't want laws that require people to secure their weapons, then the penalty for not doing so should be that the owner goes to jail for manslaughter if their weapon falls into the hands of a family member or invited guest and that person accidentally discharges that weapon and kills someone. Your weapon, your responsibility.
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    Come on libs.

    Shut down the government as Green Arrow suggested.

    We dare you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Meh, you invite 10 eight year olds over for a birthday party and one finds your unsecured guns and shoots another kid - whose fault is it? If there is no law, what is the recourse for the family of the dead kid? Civil law? Money paid by insurance companies doesn't really punish the irresponsible. Your 15 year old asks a friend back after school when you are at work and that kid is a snoop and finds your unsecured Glock on the bed stand and doesn't realize it's loaded ....your three year old grandchild wanders around your house and finds a gun... No one watches kids 100% of the time. No one watches their guests 100 percent of the time. The fact is that guns can be lethal 100% of the time when pointed directly at another person. If you don't want laws that require people to secure their weapons, then the penalty for not doing so should be that the owner goes to jail for manslaughter if their weapon falls into the hands of a family member or invited guest and that person accidentally discharges that weapon and kills someone. Your weapon, your responsibility.
    What about the same situation, but with poisons? Or what if one of the kids climbed on the roof to get a lost frisby and fell to his death? There are a lot of what ifs, but I still don't feel that we need laws specifically telling one how they MUST store personal property on their own property. In the case of the kid shooting the girl, that was murder. Same as if he had used a knife or a rock or pushed her off a cliff. Deal with the murder, and why he would go for a gun in the first place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    No, it's the same subject. Not securing your weapons not only leaves them open to theft but allows others, including children to get their hands on them. There is no law in many states requiring weapons to be secured against children or invited guests either.

    In many parts of the country guns are a cultural norm in most homes just as knives are and children learn to respect them

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