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[Chris]

Yes, but you have the capacity to work in IT. Many people do not. It's a good skill set for the future, but even that might fall victim to AI. What then?

IT ranges from helpdesk to computer maintenance to networking to on and on and on, all quite easy to learn.

I specialized in AI, neural networks in fact. It's mostly science fiction. You can automate knowledge, but not thinking, or communicating, or sociability, or on and on and on.

[DigitalBluster]

Socialism seems to have two meanings then. There is the theory whereby a group pools resources and shares the results, in various ways. And there is state-run central planning. Redistribution is what I would call social democracy, where ownership of capital remains private, but is managed by the state.

Without splitting hairs, yes, that's broadly correct.

The first meaning is the one meant by the first socialists, and is still meant by most ardent socialists, for whom it remains an ideal. The second meaning came into being for two reasons: 1) those who ushered in such systems called it socialism to capitalize on the broad appeal of socialism; 2) those who opposed such systems (and the ideal of socialism) called it socialism to counter the broad appeal of socialism. Both sides in the Cold War, for example, called the USSR socialist, but for opposite reasons.

I agree with your comment on social democracy.

[Dr. Who]

IT ranges from helpdesk to computer maintenance to networking to on and on and on, all quite easy to learn.

I specialized in AI, neural networks in fact. It's mostly science fiction. You can automate knowledge, but not thinking, or communicating, or sociability, or on and on and on.

So far. We couldn't fly until we did. There is no barrier to our ability to research and invent. That is who we are. Science fiction is simply fact that hasn't happened yet. If we can conceive an idea we will eventually make it happen. That's how it works with humanity. We don't conceive anything that long before we are able to accomplish it.

[Dr. Who]

[Refugee]

Disagree, I think most the rest of the anarchists here, of the anti-statist, not anti-market sort, more or less agree, could to a high degree work with each other. (I'm listening to an explanation by a consequentialist libertarian anarchist now that I'll post soon enough on how that would all work.)



Perhaps we're confusing it with Democratic Socialism which is a European animal.



It helps when definitions are supplied rather than assumed.


I think kilgram and spectre are OK.

Communists too will tell you Communism would work, it’s just that when these alternatives are put into practice they don’t.

Chris; there’s nothing more boring or misleading than theory. You’ve never had Anarchism either, because it stands for an absence of something replaced by an assumption of something else. As it’s so vague, the definition is then changed to individualism which sounds so much more in tune with American society. It’s why you can go ten rounds with Kilgram and never get anywhere.

I’ve put post upon post explaining terminology, but the vast majority I think still believe they voted in a Democrat and not a Marxist and that ‘progressivism’ means progress, when really it’s another word for cultural Marxism/Liberal Fascism. It’s all new to America and you just have to sort of learn it yourselves and suffer the consequences as you go along.

[Refugee]

And we will find something new to shift jobs to. When the Industrial Age rose people cried the same dire strait warnings you do but back then it was displacing farm workers.

The problem is that industry simply found new forms of Labour. In what is now seen as a post-industrial society, the alternative for ever increasing populations is welfare. That’s the new age workplace.

[DigitalBluster]

I’ve put post upon post explaining terminology....

From what I've seen you have your own unique terminology. I've seen posts by you that I've felt an impulse to respond to, but opted not to bother because it would first entail a long discussion on your definition of terms (people need to speak a common language before discussion can occur).

This isn't to criticize, it's just an observation.

P.S. When quoted, your posts are interspersed, seemingly at random, with font and color codes, which must be cleaned up by the quoter. Is there a reason for this? I assume the problem isn't on my end, since the forum presents me with the mess before I do anything.

[Refugee]

From what I've seen you have your own unique terminology. I've seen posts by you that I've felt an impulse to respond to, but opted not to bother because it would first entail a long discussion on your definition of terms (people need to speak a common language before discussion can occur).

This isn't to criticize, it's just an observation.

P.S. When quoted, your posts are interspersed, seemingly at random, with font and color codes, which must be cleaned up by the quoter. Is there a reason for this? I assume the problem isn't on my end, since the forum presents me with the mess before I do anything.

No problem, my posts use European classical theory terminology, it’s where you in America are getting your isms from, but have changed them into Americanisms. Its not unique to me, it’s why Americans have fifty different concepts for one theory and no one can decide which is correct, but all assume their version is the right one. The definitions I use are terms that would be used in any University study in Europe. People themselves have a habit of changing definitions to what they themselves think; it makes for confusing reading to me also, for example, of when I hear of people like Kilgram arguing of what he thinks they mean and when philosophy replaces ideology. Using your various definitions makes it difficult even for Americans to agree on what they themselves mean.

Americans and not all, but generally, have a different perspective of politics and a way of looking at the world that confuses the rest of it where things are more black and white. We in Europe know what Big State Socialism is, whereas Americans are still largely trying to work out what it means, or what they think it means. Yes, it’s confusing.

I use Arial size 2 for my fonts. That’s because if I post without using that it comes out as a tiny size 1. If I use size 3 they come out as large bold. Why that is I don’t know, but obviously the fault is at my end. I also get censored at times, (The Chinese firewall) and lose my connection completely if I use certain words which are banned here. It took Admin and myself a week just to get me registered on here with all the glitches. It’s something to live with, as the term ‘Political forum’ sends shivers up a censorship spine. As you’re reading this now, be absolutely sure that so is some Chinese political censorship officer.

[Spectre]

As you’re reading this now, be absolutely sure that so is some Chinese political censorship officer.

I hope the good censor reading this won't mind if I wave him a friendly 'Hello' and flash him a sign of peace?

[Green Arrow]

No problem, my posts use European classical theory terminology, it’s where you in America are getting your isms from, but have changed them into Americanisms.

Funny, considering you reject my very European definition of socialism.

As for "fifty different concepts," it's called being human. As we learn ways of doing things, we tweak those ways into our version of "better," and as a result add new meaning to the thing.