10 groups The Donald has offended

[zelmo1234]

He's in step with every issue that the media makes a priority in order to inflame the population. However, if people vote for him, they will truly get the reactionary government that they deserve. Of course he may have no political support from either the Republicans or the Democrats, so his executive orders should be interesting.

I think that Trump will have the people on his side if the congress try's obstruction. He, unlike many of our latest Presidents will take his message to the people. And he is bat $#@! crazy enough to get a lot more people to listen.

What I think would happen is a dramatic reduction in the size and scope of Government under Trump. As a business person, he understands just how terrible government can be.

Progressives fear this more than anything, because when the people realize that they are better of with a more limited government, the progressive agenda dies.

[zelmo1234]

Yes. He has the right answers.
No. Those Establishment Republicans who support amnesty would never be on the productive Americans' side.

I want him to have the opportunity. Obama got away with tyranny to do evil. Let's see what tyranny to do good looks like.

Tyranny, is never good. But I don't think that Trump will be tyrannical. I see him ending a lot of those practices. The good thing about Executive orders is they can be removed with a order as well.

[zelmo1234]

No, but I honestly believe that Trump would be a disaster as a President and that he has no substantive basis to make the promises that he is making. He is a political neophyte who believes that he can get things done because he's Donald Trump. However, there is a great deal of difference between business and national politics.

And that is the problem. The government is a disaster because there is no accountability. Bringing a Business model to that is not a bad thing

[Peter1469]

Baby steps, single payer is en route.

It will be the end of healthcare as we know it also.

We are not European or Canadian, we are a highly polarized political society.

I have zero faith that America could do single payer.

First, we would provide Cadillac care for all. Second, a large portion of society would fraud the system.

[Captain Obvious]

I have zero faith that America could do single payer.

First, we would provide Cadillac care for all. Second, a large portion of society would fraud the system.

Wait, there's no Cadillac's here.

I don't use healthcare, so far. I've been a low consumer demographic of healthcare so I don't pay attention, until the open enrollment that we just had recently.

Every plan that I can remember covered inpatient stays pretty much 100%. I noticed in this open enrollment (that I generally ignored over the years) that inpatient stays are covered 50% which counts against your deductible.

I pulled my HR person aside and asked her, is that right? We had a long discussion about this and this is where it's at.

So if I get pneumonia and have a 3 day stay that bills at 4k, I'm on the tab for half of that.

I was stunned, I didn't realize that it was this bad.

5 or 10 years ago this stay was covered 100% as long as I was in network.

Cadillacs are long gone.

[Dr. Who]

Wait, there's no Cadillac's here.

I don't use healthcare, so far. I've been a low consumer demographic of healthcare so I don't pay attention, until the open enrollment that we just had recently.

Every plan that I can remember covered inpatient stays pretty much 100%. I noticed in this open enrollment (that I generally ignored over the years) that inpatient stays are covered 50% which counts against your deductible.

I pulled my HR person aside and asked her, is that right? We had a long discussion about this and this is where it's at.

So if I get pneumonia and have a 3 day stay that bills at 4k, I'm on the tab for half of that.

I was stunned, I didn't realize that it was this bad.

5 or 10 years ago this stay was covered 100% as long as I was in network.

Cadillacs are long gone.

That doesn't tell you that there is something amiss with the billing? If a person is in hospital with pneumonia and they are attended to by people making what - $30 to $40 dollars an hour and that only happens a few times per day and then only for a few minutes, and an actual doctor at what $400 an hour once a day, how do you get to $4K in three days? You are paying for someone else's 15-hour surgery plus dividends for shareholders. That is what the insurance model does. It averages out costs and applies them to premium pricing. Single payer does the same, minus the profits for investors. The model works best when the hospitals themselves are also not for profit. The insurance model doesn't provide better care for less money. That is a logical impossibility. Profits must be taken from somewhere. Either they are taken from wages or they are taken from premiums.

[Peter1469]

That doesn't tell you that there is something amiss with the billing? If a person is in hospital with pneumonia and they are attended to by people making what - $30 to $40 dollars an hour and that only happens a few times per day and then only for a few minutes, and an actual doctor at what $400 an hour once a day, how do you get to $4K in three days? You are paying for someone else's 15-hour surgery plus dividends for shareholders. That is what the insurance model does. It averages out costs and applies them to premium pricing. Single payer does the same, minus the profits for investors. The model works best when the hospitals themselves are also not for profit. The insurance model doesn't provide better care for less money. That is a logical impossibility. Profits must be taken from somewhere. Either they are taken from wages or they are taken from premiums.

The problem is people working without profit have no motivation to do more than the bare minimum.

[texan]

Cigar hasn't figured out he is a Trump knockoff only resides in the political forums.

[domer76]

And you likely voted for Obama! Ah, the irony and hypocrisy!

The comment, you fool, was that people liked Trump because they were tired of politicians' lies. My response was that is bull$#@! because Trump has lied as much as any of them.

Does everything have to be explained to you with stick figures and crayons?

[domer76]

Impossible for anyone to be more clueless than Obama!

Look in the mirror