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    Quote Originally Posted by Savitri Devi View Post
    I'm trying to get my head around the argument. By this standard, capitalism and democracy would equally fall into these categories.

    Hitler, in particular, used democratic institutions to obtain power.
    Capitalism also promised people happiness. However it has to be inherently imbalanced, or you would have socialism. Which means it's happiness for some and back-breaking labour for most.
    Whose argument?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Whose argument?
    Yours lol. I am trying to figure out your meaning/intention. Are you saying both communism and nazism are both evil because they make false promises?
    “A 'civilization' that makes such a ridiculous fuss about alleged 'war crimes' - acts of violence against the actual or potential enemies of one's cause - and tolerates slaughterhouses and vivisection laboratories, and circuses and the fur industry (infliction of pain upon creatures that can never be for or against any cause), does not deserve to live.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savitri Devi View Post
    Yours lol. I am trying to figure out your meaning/intention. Are you saying both communism and nazism are both evil because they make false promises?
    No. I posted excerpts from an article. If you want to understand the argument De Benoist makes read the article. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savitri Devi View Post
    All economic systems are theories in practice. Simply because we are refusing to try socialism as a theory (at least in the West), doesn't mean it's a less viable economic system. The most common reason it has failed is because of military intervention from places like the US.

    And there is a difference between bartering and capitalism. One requires symbolic/theoretical credit/currency. The other requires direct exchange of goods. One is much more natural. The other is more coerced.
    None of that makes much sense, so where to start...

    All economic systems are theories in practice.
    Simply not so. Socialism is a theory, in the simplest sense of the word, a laying out, by Robert Owen, say, or Karl Marx, prescriptions of what ought ideally to be, a utopian vision. Capitalism is not a theory. Yes, there are theories of capitalism, from Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations to even Marx's Das Capital to that of Mises, Hayek, Rothbard, but these theories about capitalism are descriptive of what is, not prescriptions of what ought to be, and not utopian but quite messy, tentative, incomplete, predictive. So, no, not all economies are theories.

    (A) Simply because we are refusing to try socialism as a theory (at least in the West), doesn't mean it's a less viable economic system. (B) The most common reason it has failed is because of military intervention from places like the US.
    (B) contradicts (A) since if it has failed it has been tried. In practice--be it Communism, Fascism, Nazism, or even Social Democracy--it has always failed--Social Democracy is failing in Europe as we in the US adopt it.

    Moreover, because socialism fails not because of some imagined military intervention, but because it is based on central planning--you cannot design economies, nor can you plan or manage them but to their detriment.

    And there is a difference between bartering and capitalism. One requires symbolic/theoretical credit/currency. The other requires direct exchange of goods. One is much more natural. The other is more coerced.
    Granted, capitalism is not barter, but, please, explain how if you provide some good or service to me in exchange for some money that I received in exchange for some other good or service, explain how that is not voluntary but coercive? Does a plumber come to your door gun in hand to force his services on you? Are you forced by some law to shop at any particular store? Yes, please, explain how money makes the free market coercive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    No. I posted excerpts from an article. If you want to understand the argument De Benoist makes read the article. lol
    Apologies if my argument sidetracks the OP topic. I do believe there is a connection in that any socialist--Nazi, Fascist, Communist--designed, planned and managed economy, regardless of good intentions, paves the road to perdition, serfdom. And that only a free market, freedom itself, allows for men to be virtuous, inasmuch as they can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Apologies if my argument sidetracks the OP topic. I do believe there is a connection in that any socialist--Nazi, Fascist, Communist--designed, planned and managed economy, regardless of good intentions, paves the road to perdition, serfdom. And that only a free market, freedom itself, allows for men to be virtuous, inasmuch as they can be.
    No worries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Apologies if my argument sidetracks the OP topic. I do believe there is a connection in that any socialist--Nazi, Fascist, Communist--designed, planned and managed economy, regardless of good intentions, paves the road to perdition, serfdom. And that only a free market, freedom itself, allows for men to be virtuous, inasmuch as they can be.
    Or as much as they can afford.
    “A 'civilization' that makes such a ridiculous fuss about alleged 'war crimes' - acts of violence against the actual or potential enemies of one's cause - and tolerates slaughterhouses and vivisection laboratories, and circuses and the fur industry (infliction of pain upon creatures that can never be for or against any cause), does not deserve to live.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    No. I posted excerpts from an article. If you want to understand the argument De Benoist makes read the article. lol
    I read the excerpt. I am at work at the moment but will read it if I have time later.
    “A 'civilization' that makes such a ridiculous fuss about alleged 'war crimes' - acts of violence against the actual or potential enemies of one's cause - and tolerates slaughterhouses and vivisection laboratories, and circuses and the fur industry (infliction of pain upon creatures that can never be for or against any cause), does not deserve to live.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Apologies if my argument sidetracks the OP topic. I do believe there is a connection in that any socialist--Nazi, Fascist, Communist--designed, planned and managed economy, regardless of good intentions, paves the road to perdition, serfdom. And that only a free market, freedom itself, allows for men to be virtuous, inasmuch as they can be.
    Quote Originally Posted by Savitri Devi View Post
    Or as much as they can afford.

    Now you make even less sense. Are you one who thinks money buys virtue or happiness or some such? Just trying to make sense of what you said in relation to what I said.

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    How is the zionist phenomena, any different than Nazism in anything but scale?

    Living space. (settlement)

    Apartheid ( refusal to give I'ds to Palestinians)

    Genocide ( many many civillians targeted due to race)

    Racial elitism (only Jews can rule Israel, goy are not as good as jews)



    So how is it any different?

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