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    Who is to blame for the greatest myth in the history of science and religion?

    An educator and a scientist.

    WHO IS TO BLAME FOR THE GREATEST MYTH IN THE HISTORY OF SCIENCE AND RELIGION?

    ...If you were to ask Professor Numbers for the “greatest myth” about the historical relationship between science and religion, he would respond that it’s the idea the the two “have been in a state of constant conflict.”

    Timothy Larsen, a Christian historian who specializes in the nineteenth century, agrees: “The so-called ‘war’ between faith and learning, specifically between orthodox Christian theology and science, was manufactured . . . . It is a construct that was created for polemical purposes.”

    If these two historians--one an agnostic, one a confessional Christian--both agree this is a manufactured myth, then who is to blame for inventing it?

    That distinction falls to American scholars from the nineteenth century: (1) Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918), the founding president of Cornell University, and (2) John William Draper (1811-1882), professor of chemistry at the University of New York.

    ...In December 1869, Andrew White--the young and beleaguered Cornell president--delivered a lecture at Cooper Union in New York City entitled “The Battle-Fields of Science.” He melodramatically painted a picture of a longstanding warfare between religion and science:

    I propose, then, to present to you this evening an outline of the great sacred struggle for the liberty of Science--a struggle which has been going on for so many centuries. A tough contest this has been! A war continued longer--with battles fiercer, with sieges more persistent, with strategy more vigorous than in any of the comparatively petty warfares of Alexander, or Caesar, or Napoleon . . . In all modern history, interference with Science in the supposed interest of religion—no matter how conscientious such interference may have been--has resulted in the direst evils both to Religion and Science, and invariably.

    ...In 1874, Professor Draper published his History of the Conflict Between Religion and Science (New York: D. Appleton and Co., 1874). His thesis was as follows:

    The antagonism we thus witness between Religion and Science is the continuation of a struggle that commenced when Christianity began to attain political power. . . . The history of Science is not a mere record of isolated discoveries; it is a narrative of the conflict of two contending powers, the expansive force of the human intellect on one side, and the compression arising from traditionary faith and human interests on the other.

    Here are a couple of urban legends that Draper and White perpetuated:

    1. The church believed for centuries that the earth is flat.
    2. The church opposed the use of anesthetics in childbirth since Genesis promised that childbirth would be painful.

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    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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    Nah, they got that wrong. Think about it for a second..... second's up. And the answer is Eve, it was she who ate of the tree of knowledge forever pushing us out of the Garden because of our hubris that we know better. Of course I'm sure other religions face the conflict between knowledge and faith differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    As I've said before to explain our existence is to believe in one of two forms of what essentially would appear to us a magic. Both unlikely, yet here we are
    Either a magical being with no begining and no end created everything out of nothing OR a ball of matter/ energy that existed for unknown reasons outside of the dimensions exploded one day for no known reason and created the universe.
    Quite framkly if I wasn't for the fact that I am pretty damn sure I exist, I would scoff at both explanations.
    So ultimaetly in their purest forms science and religion seek the same kinds of answers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    One need look no farther than the Scopes trial, a publicity stunt that created anti-religious prejudice that exists to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ann Fann View Post
    One need look no farther than the Scopes trial, a publicity stunt that created anti-religious prejudice that exists to this day.
    The Snopes trial had nothing to do with science, or, for that matter, religion, even though it was religious folks who took it to trial and made fools of themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The Snopes trial had nothing to do with science, or, for that matter, religion, even though it was religious folks who took it to trial and made fools of themselves.
    Have you actually read anything about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ann Fann View Post
    Have you actually read anything about it?
    Yes, as a matter of fact I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yes, as a matter of fact I have.
    Then why are you making these claims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ann Fann View Post
    Then why are you making these claims?
    Why are you making yours?
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