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    If the Mosul dam in Iraq collapses, half a million people could die

    If the Mosul dam in Iraq collapses, half a million people could die

    This information was actually classified when I was last in Iraq- the vulnerability of the Mosul damn. ISIL likely knows this, and didn't blow the damn when they had control of it.

    But because Iraqi's made it, it may just fall apart on its own.

    If breached, it could unleash a 180-foot high wave down the Tigris River basin, drown more than half a million people, with floodwaters reaching as far as the Iraqi capital, 340 miles to the south.

    The collapse of Mosul Dam would be catastrophic for Iraq.


    The dam has been called the most dangerous in the world for the past decade. But recent assessments by the US Army Engineers Corps say it is at "significantly higher risk"” of failing than previously thought.
    Read more at the link.
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    Certainly people who are addicted to lies, torture, killing and destroying wouldn't know how to build a new dam.
    Maybe a country that is not a habitual killer and destroyer, can build a new dam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan88 View Post
    Certainly people who are addicted to lies, torture, killing and destroying wouldn't know how to build a new dam.
    Maybe a country that is not a habitual killer and destroyer, can build a new dam.
    Iraq can build its own damn, don't you think.

    Why on earth would we do it for them?
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    Good question, Peter: Why should the US build a new dam for Iraq?
    Actually, it is very doubtful that the US can be trusted to build anything to benefit Iraq.
    However, the US destroyed the lives of millions of Iraqi people with its now 26 year war against Iraq.
    Therefore, the US owes huge reparations to Iraq, and hiring some other nation to build the dam might work out real good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan88 View Post
    Good question, Peter: Why should the US build a new dam for Iraq?
    Actually, it is very doubtful that the US can be trusted to build anything to benefit Iraq.
    However, the US destroyed the lives of millions of Iraqi people with its now 26 year war against Iraq.
    Therefore, the US owes huge reparations to Iraq, and hiring some other nation to build the dam might work out real good.
    The US should take enough money to cover our military operations there as well as to treat our soldiers for the rest of their lives.

    And the US has no need to build them a damn. They can hire our expert engineers to do it right for them- it is failing because an idiot designed it.

    They don't have long to pay up- it doesn't look like the dam will hold for long.
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    Yea, dat's right - blab to ISIS all about the weak dam...

    Iraqis kept in the dark about Mosul Dam emergency plans
    30 Mar 2016 - Despite intense U.S. pressure to act to keep Iraq's largest dam from collapsing, Baghdad has done little to prepare Iraqis for the possibility of a burst that could unleash a flood reaching the capital and killing hundreds of thousands of people.
    Despite intense U.S. pressure to act to keep Iraq's largest dam from collapsing, Baghdad has done little to prepare Iraqis for the possibility of a burst that could unleash a flood reaching the capital and killing hundreds of thousands of people. The government signed a US$296-million contract with Italy's Trevi Group last month to reinforce northern Iraq's fragile Mosul Dam, but it has not announced any specific plans to try to rescue people in the event of a breach or instructed them in detail how to react safely. Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi's most significant public statement on the dam, which was not widely distributed, advised millions of people living in the path of a potential flood that they should move to higher ground, but provided few specifics.

    U.S. officials have said Washington feels Baghdad has failed to take the threat seriously enough. A U.S. government briefing paper released in late February said the 500,000 to 1.47 million Iraqis living in the highest-risk areas along the Tigris River "probably would not survive" the impact of a flood's impact unless they evacuated. Swept hundreds of miles along in the waters would be unexploded ordnance, chemicals, bodies and buildings.

    A senior official at the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) said the most lives could be saved by advising people in advance of what to do in the event of a breach of the structure, once known as Saddam Dam and opened in the mid 1980s. "You want to make sure when you have a major hazard risk that the population that is going to be potentially affected is aware of that, that they know what to do about it when it happens, and they understand how they're going to be alerted to it," the official said. Instead, Iraqi authorities have downplayed the threat. The water minister estimated last month there was only a one in 1,000 chance of failure, a "risk level present in all the world's dams".

    On Jan. 21, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry met with Abadi in Davos, Switzerland, and handed him a confidential note from President Barack Obama pleading for urgent action. The president's personal intervention indicated how the dam's fragility has moved to the forefront of U.S. concerns over Iraq, reflecting fears its failure would also undermine U.S. efforts to stabilise Abadi's government and complicate the war against Islamic State. Iraqi forces launched a new offensive last week in Makhmour, 60 km (40 miles) south of Mosul, as the beginning of a broader campaign to clear areas around the city but so far progress has been slow.

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    It would largely get Kurds and Sunnis. The Shia government sees it that way.
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    Sore loser tactic - set the oil wells ablaze...

    Oil wells south of Mosul burn days after key town retaken
    Aug 29,`16 -- The skies above this small northern Iraqi town are black with smoke and ash rains down from around a half dozen oil wells that Islamic State group fighters set ablaze as Iraqi troops moved in to retake Qayara last week.
    The apocalyptic scene underscores the sort of destruction that the militants are likely to wreak as Iraqi forces move toward Mosul, the biggest prize still held by IS in Iraq. Unlike previous ground assaults against IS in Iraq that left entire cities and villages emptied of civilians, thousands of civilians remained in Qayara as militants inside quickly folded up and fled, a sign of their weakening morale and damaged supply lines, commanders say. That means residents did not join the ranks of hundreds of thousands of people displaced by recent fighting with IS and now languishing in camps around the country. But the situation for the some 9,000 civilians still in Qaraya is precarious. The battle left the town without electricity and little running water, and the large international aid groups who normally help the displaced say they cannot deliver aid to people so close to frontline fighting.

    Najim al-Jobori, the commander of military operations in Nineveh Province where Qayara and Mosul are located, said Iraqi forces are increasingly trying to keep civilians in place while pushing IS fighters out. The Qayara operation, he said, raises his hopes that the approach on Mosul will become increasingly easier as morale among IS fighters crumbles He said that previously when an airstrike hit an IS unit, the survivors would stay and keep fighting. "But now, you never see that anymore, they all just run." Hundreds of civilians poured out into Qayara's main street Sunday as a convoy of Iraqi officials pulled into the town just days after the military retook it. Some children rushed to cheer on the Iraqi army Humvees, other families peered cautiously from behind garden gates in the town, which before 2011 had a population of 79,000.


    Oil wells on the edge of Qaraya Sunday August 28, 2016 burn days after the key town south of was retaken from the Islamic State group by Iraqi ground forces backed by U.S.-led coalition airpower. Iraqi forces retook the militant-held town Thursday as part of a number of operations Iraqi forces are carrying out around Mosul in an effort to isolate the city. Iraq’s prime minister pledges Mosul will be retaken this year.

    Walls still painted with colorful Islamic State group instructions and warnings were only partially obscured with hasty swipes of paint. IS banners at the town's entrance stood shredded. Salim Atiyya, a government employee, said that initially in the lead-up to the military's assault on the town, planes dropped leaflets on his neighborhood telling residents to flee along a road leading west. But IS fighters immediately mined the road with roadside bombs. A few days later, leaflets were dropped telling residents to stay put. "At the beginning of course we were so scared," the 33-year-old Atiyya said. "We found the smallest room in our house away from windows and doors and we all moved into there," he said. Extended family members also moved in, seeking safety, and eventually "18 of us were all in that one small room," he said.

    Warplanes from the U.S.-led coalition bombed militants in the town for three days, and then Iraqi forces moved in, recapturing Qayara with only minor clashes. The militants set fire to the oil wells initially to try to thwart airstrikes, but then as they realized they were losing ground they set as many wells alight as possible in an attempt to leave behind a ruined prize, residents said. After the militants fled, Atiyya said he and his family emerged and found the bodies of three IS fighters killed by an airstrike in the street in front of his home. "We took them and threw them in the garbage dump," he said, adding, "if you go there now you'll see it's filled with the dead from Daesh" - using the Arabic acronym for IS.

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    Water pipeline hit during fighting... Water supply cut off to 40% of Mosul's residents Nov. 30, 2016 -- About 40 percent of the residents of Mosul, Iraq -- around 650,000 people -- are without water after a pipeline was hit during fighting between the Islamic State and Iraqi government forces, authorities said Wednesday.
    "We are facing a humanitarian catastrophe," said Hussam al-Abar, member of Mosul's Nineveh provincial council, said to the media. "Basic services such as water, electricity, health, food are non-existent." The pipeline was one of three that serve eastern Mosul. Repairs can't be made quickly because it is in an area held by Islamic State fighters. About 1.5 million people remain in the city despite fighting the past six weeks. About 40 percent of the eastern half of the city has been retaken from the Islamic State since the start of the offensive.
    Mosul is the last major urban area in Iraq held by the Islamic State. About 74,000 civilians have fled Mosul since the fighting and the United Nations is bracing for more than a million homeless people. "Children and their families in Mosul are facing a horrific situation," said Peter Hawkins, Unicef representative in Iraq. "Not only are they in danger of getting killed or injured in the cross fire, now potentially more than half a million people do not have safe water to drink." Some water is being trucked from 22 miles away. Without clean water in the next days, Unicef says in a release "civilians will be forced to resort to unsafe water sources, exposing children to the risk of waterborne diseases such as severe diarrhea and the threat of malnutrition. Children in affected areas are already strained from years of extremely harsh living conditions." Unicef is asking the government to reactivate nearby boreholes and water treatment plants. "Unicef urges all parties to the conflict to allow these critical deliveries and repairs. Civilian infrastructure must never be attacked," Hawkins said. http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-Ne...?spt=sec&or=tn

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    When the levee breaks...

    Iraq's Mosul Dam could collapse at any minute 'killing 1.5 million people'
    Saturday 7th January, 2017 - Huge Saddam Hussein-era dam near Isis territory is unstable, experts warn, with even a partial breach capable of causing flooding as far away as Baghdad
    Engineers and other experts have warned that the collapse of an eight mile (13 kilometre) long dam on the Tigris River in northern Iraq is just a “matter of time”, triggering an environmental disaster which could leave 1.5 million people dead and millions more as far away as Baghdad without food or electricity. The Mosul Dam, 40 miles (60 kilometres) away from the Isis-controlled city of the same name, holds 11.1 billion cubic metres of water, and has been plagued by problems since its construction in the 1980s thanks to the fact it was built on soluble ground. It has required constant maintenance to fill the cavities that form underneath the concrete to stop it collapsing ever since.


    The view from a helicopter as it flies above the dam in Mosul, Iraq

    A 2006 US Army Corps engineering report found the “Mosul Dam is the most dangerous dam in the world” - but the situation has become more precarious since Isis took control of the area in 2014, including, briefly, the dam itself. Many of the 1,500 workers stationed there fled, and the extremists damaged much of their equipment. “It is just a matter of time. It will be worse than throwing a nuclear bomb on Iraq,” Professor Nadhir al-Ansari of the Environmental Engineering Department at Lulea University in Sweden, who inspected the initial construction, told Al-Jazeera. A 2015 study from the European Commission's Science Centre found that even a partial breach of 26 per cent would unleash a flood of catastrophic proportions.

    A wave of water up to 100 feet (30 metres) high would engulf Mosul in two hours, taking with it people, unexploded bombs, buildings and cars, as well as toxic substances from oil refineries and human waste. The surrounding flood plains are already home to more than one million people living in tents after being displaced by fighting who would struggle to find protection from the water. Within four days, both the EU and US experts predict, a wave between six - 36 feet (two - eight metres) high would reach Baghdad, 250 miles (400 kilometres) away. The UN predicted last year that in any flooding scenario, up to four million people will be left homeless, and aid will take up to two weeks to reach those in need if airports, electricity grids and roads are knocked out. Iraq’s oil refineries and up to two thirds of its wheat fields would also be affected.


    A Kurdish Peshmerga fighter stands guard near the Mosul Dam
    New £234 million ($300 million) World Bank funded repairs are being carried out by an Italian engineering company, but the fragile security situation in the area is making completion of the work difficult. Kurdish and Italian soldiers remain on constant guard for extremist attacks. In October, an Isis convoy armed with explosives tried to approach the dam but were killed by Kurdish missiles before they reached it. A better and more permanent solution would be to build a second dam - but the political and military instability and lack of funds mean this option is highly unlikely. Iraqi officials have tried to downplay scientists’ and the international community's fears of an imminent disaster, but Professor Ansari remains sceptical the problem will be solved in time. “I am convinced the dam could fail tomorrow,” he said.

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