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    Neanderthals may have used chemistry to start fires

    Neanderthals may have used chemistry to start fires

    Not surprising. The area also had lots of manganese dioxide in the region.

    Scientists know a lot about Neandertals these days, from their hair color to their mating habits. Still, a basic mystery remains: Did they know how to start a fire? Archaeologists have long known that Neandertals, like the family pictured in this artist’s representation, used fire, but they could have merely taken advantage of naturally occurring lightning strikes and forest fires to supply the flames. Now, a new hypothesis about some odd Neandertal artifacts suggests that our distant cousins could indeed spark a fire from scratch. Excavations at the 50,000-year-old site Pech-de-l’Azé I in southwestern France have yielded blocks of manganese dioxide, which is abundant in the region’s limestone formations.
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    Mebbe was ebola or marburg dat done the Neanderthals in...

    Human Diseases From Africa May Have Doomed Neanderthals
    April 11, 2016 - Diseases brought by modern humans from Africa, could have helped drive European neanderthals to extinction, according to a new study.
    Writing in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, researchers from Cambridge and Oxford Brookes say since both species are hominins, “it would have been easier for pathogens to jump populations.” The researchers reached their conclusions based on the study of pathogen genomes and ancient bones, which they say reveal that “some infectious diseases are likely to be many thousands of years older than previously believed.” "Humans migrating out of Africa would have been a significant reservoir of tropical diseases,"said Charlotte Houldcroft, from Cambridge's Division of Biological Anthropology. "For the Neanderthal population of Eurasia, adapted to that geographical infectious disease environment, exposure to new pathogens carried out of Africa may have been catastrophic. "However, it is unlikely to have been similar to Columbus bringing disease into America and decimating native populations. It's more likely that small bands of Neanderthals each had their own infection disasters, weakening the group and tipping the balance against survival," she added.


    Reconstructions of Neanderthals are seen at a museum in Mettmann, Germany. New research suggests that humans from Africa may have brought diseases with them that helped drive Neanderthals to extinction.

    Some of the possible diseases include “tapeworm, tuberculosis, stomach ulcers and types of herpes,” researchers said. Catching these chronic conditions could have weakened Neanderthals, making it harder for them to forage and hunt. There have been several studies suggesting homo sapiens interbred with Neanderthals, which could have allowed the exchange of disease causing pathogens. The conventional wisdom about infectious diseases is that they “exploded” as humans started agriculture, where humans were in closer contact and lived near livestock. "Hunter-gatherers lived in small foraging groups. Neanderthals lived in groups of between 15-30 members, for example,” said Houldcroft. “So disease would have broken out sporadically, but have been unable to spread very far. Once agriculture came along, these diseases had the perfect conditions to explode, but they were already around." The researchers added that Neanderthals would have developed resistance to native diseases, while homo sapiens would have developed resistance to African diseases.

    One example the researchers give is Helicobacter pylori, which causes stomach ulcers. They say the disease first infected African humans 88- to 116- thousand years ago. It arrived in Europe around 52,000 years ago. Neanderthals are believed to have gone extinct around 40,000 years ago. Another might be herpes simplex 2, which causes genital herpes. There is evidence it was passed to African humans 1.6 million years ago from chimpanzees. "The 'intermediate' hominin that bridged the virus between chimps and humans shows that diseases could leap between hominin species. The herpes virus is transmitted sexually and through saliva. As we now know that humans bred with Neanderthals, and we all carry two to five percent of Neanderthal DNA as a result, it makes sense to assume that, along with bodily fluids, humans and Neanderthals transferred diseases," said Houldcroft. There are several theories about what happened to Neanderthals, including climate change, but researchers think it was likely a combination of factors.

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    Kinda looks like Uncle Ferd...

    Neanderthals Disappearing from Modern Human Genome
    November 08, 2016 | WASHINGTON — What happened to the Neanderthals? After splitting from our African ancestors more than half a million years ago, the Neanderthal branch of our family tree thrived in Europe and Central Asia, developing a sophisticated culture.
    When modern humans moved into the neighborhood 50,000 to 80,000 years ago, the two groups interbred, producing hybrid offspring, with 50 percent of their genome from each side. Subsequent generations would have a different ratio, but the mix would still include a significant amount of Neanderthal DNA. Today, Neanderthal genes are a tiny fraction of the European genome, just a few percent, and only a bit more common in people of East Asian ancestry. Why did natural selection choose to lose the Neanderthal elements?


    A model of an adult Neanderthal male head and shoulders by artist John Gurche on display in the Hall of Human Origins in the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C.

    The idea of 'survival of the fittest' suggests that Neanderthals were genetically incompatible with modern humans, so the hybrids did not thrive, but a new study found a different explanation. Geneticists from the University of California, Davis, say a "weak but widespread selection against Neanderthal genes" slowly removed them from our genome.


    Evolution purged many Neanderthal genes from human genome

    Graham Coop, senior author on the paper published in PLOS Genetics, points out that a much smaller population of Neanderthals was mixing with a large group of modern humans. Genes that are slightly harmful can remain common among a small, inbred group, he explained. Once they mix into a larger genome, they are gradually purged by more beneficial variants. The findings highlight the role population size plays in evolution, and adds to our understanding of our extinct close relative.

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    How long has our species been around?...
    Discovery in Morocco alters history of Homo sapiens
    Jun 7, 2017, How long has our species been around? New fossils from Morocco push the evidence back by about 100,000 years.
    The bones, about 300,000 years old, were unearthed thousands of miles from the previous record-holder, found in fossil-rich eastern Africa. The new discovery reveals people from an early stage of our species' evolution, with a mix of modern and more primitive traits. "They are not just like us," said Jean-Jacques Hublin, one of the scientists reporting the find. But they had "basically the face you could meet on the train in New York." Coupled with other evidence, the Moroccan fossils suggest that Homo sapiens may have reached its modern-day form in more than one place within Africa, said Hublin, of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, and the College of France in Paris.

    Previously, the oldest known fossils clearly from Homo sapiens were from Ethiopia, at about 195,000 years old. It's not clear just when or where Homo sapiens came on the scene in Africa. Hublin said he thinks an earlier stage of development preceded the one revealed by his team's discovery. We evolved from predecessors who had differently shaped skulls and often heavier builds, but were otherwise much more like us than, say, the ape-men that came before them. Our species lived at the same time as some related ones, like Neanderthals, but only we survive. Hublin and others described the new findings in two papers released Wednesday by the journal Nature . The discovery could help illuminate how our species evolved, Chris Stringer and Julia Galway-Witham of the Natural History Museum in London wrote in a Nature commentary.

    The Moroccan specimens were found between 2007 and 2011 and include a skull, a jaw and teeth, along with stone tools. Combined with other bones that were found there decades ago but not correctly dated, the fossil collection represents at least five people, including young adults, an adolescent and a child of around 8 years old. Analysis shows their brain shape was more elongated than what people have today. "In the last 300,000 years, the main story is the change of the brain," Hublin said. When these ancient people lived, the site in Morocco was a cave that might have served as a hunting camp, where people butchered and ate gazelles and other prey. They used fire and their tools were made of flint from about 25 miles (40 kilometers) away.

    So where did the fully modern human body develop? The researchers say evidence suggests primitive forms of Homo sapiens had already widely spread throughout Africa by around 300,000 years ago. The different populations may have exchanged beneficial genetic mutations and behaviors, gradually nudging each other toward a more modern form of the species, Hublin said. In this way, he said in an interview, modern Homo sapiens may have arisen in more than one place. So if there's a Garden of Eden, he said, it's the continent as a whole. Some experts who didn't participate in the research called that idea possible, although not yet demonstrated. But John Shea, an anthropologist at Stony Brook University in New York, said it's more useful to think of the different local populations as a single one, connected the same way a big city is connected by subway stops. "These are parts of a network," through which ideas and genes flowed, he said.

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    I am glad they are gone, republicans would elect them president.
    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I digress....

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    I am glad they are gone, republicans would elect them president.
    They're not gone, the left is still trying to import them.
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