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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That's sort of what I understand D to be saying, that it wasn't driven by ideology but circumstances, events.
    It was indeed driven by ideology but not just ideology. Circumstances and events played a critical role.
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    This turned out better than I thought it would. Only one troll post. Not counting that newbie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I was thinking along similar lines, even if Hitler had preconceived the Final Solution, the German people would not have followed so readily initially. Their concern was more likely focused on economic recovery.
    It's possible that he did but then I wonder if he thought it practical or politically feasible. I can imagine he may have had such thoughts but I think it was the circumstances and events mentioned in the OP that made him determined to see it through. For example, when WW2 became a world war the stakes weer raised and your citation illustrates his cast of mind.
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    The existence of the Madagascar Plan alone should be enough to show that the initial plan wasn't extermination. Not really sure why that suggestion is so controversial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Jews being rounded up, shot, starved and worked to death was part of the so called Final Solution, Who, and that wasn't happening in 1938. That's sort of the point.

    Secondly, no, the Third Reich was not using Jews for their skills. They were getting rid of them in often highly uneconomic ways. In fact, many officials expressed the opinion that slaughtering Jews in the midst of a war time labor shortage simply didn't make good economic sense. Obviously, hotter heads prevailed.
    Jews were intially targeted by the 3rd Reich because many large Jewish-owned industries would not play ball with Hitler and turn their industry to his war machine.

    Dachau was opened in 1933 and Jews were some of the first inmates along with Jehovah's Witnesses, Gypsies , dissenting clergy, homosexuals, as well as others who were denounced for making critical remarks about the Nazis or for espousing communism. By 1939, after formal declaration of war, camps were springing up all over the place and Jews that survived the train ride were some of the most populous prisoners, particularly those coming from the Warsaw ghettos. The "final solution" did not come into play until 1941 when Nazi resources were wearing very thin.
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    @Chris regarding public opinion we always hear about how everyone knew what was going on but apparently the regime went to great lengths to conceal its crimes. I read earlier about a most interesting case where a certain SS officer, Max Taubner, was expelled from the SS in early 1942 and sentenced to 10 years in prison for divulging state secrets. It appears that he had a habit of bragging about all the Jews he had helped kill and kept a collection of photos documenting the activity of the early extermination camps. I have long known about the efforts later in the war to destroy the evidence that places like Auschwitz etc. had ever existed but secrecy appears to have been a concern as soon as stories about German atrocities in the occupied eastern territories began to circulate in Germany itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    The existence of the Madagascar Plan alone should be enough to show that the initial plan wasn't extermination. Not really sure why that suggestion is so controversial.
    Because any modification of the existing narrative is heresy regardless of intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    This turned out better than I thought it would. Only one troll post. Not counting that newbie.
    The usual trolls didnt understand enough of the content to even do a driveby
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