Learning from Britain’s Unnecessary Crisis

[Cigar]

One of the few good things about Britain’s vote to leave the European Union is the rich curriculum of lessons it offers leaders and electorates in other democracies. History is unlikely to be kind to British Prime Minister David Cameron. Last week’s referendum was not the product of broad popular demand. Cameron called it to solve a short-term political problem and get through an election. His Conservative Party was split on Europe and feared hemorrhaging votes to the right-wing, anti-Europe, anti-immigrant U.K. Independence Party (UKIP).


Cameron figured that kicking his troubles down the road by promising a future plebiscite on Europe could make them go away. Instead, he turned a normal electoral challenge into a profound crisis that could lead to the breakup of his country while threatening Europe’s future. The devastating complaint of Martin Schulz, the president of the European Parliament: “A whole continent is taken hostage because of an internal fight in the Tory party.”


Don’t trash democracy or the voters. Where complicated choices are involved — and Brexit defines complexity — leaders in representative democracies need the guts to make hard calls and submit themselves to voters afterward. They should not use referendums purely to evade responsibility. Ethno-nationalism is on the rise across Europe, and this vote will only intensify the trend. But in so many nations, including our own, technological change, globalization and financialization force the left-out to stare at prosperity from a great distance. In their justified frustration, they often see immigration as of a piece with the other changes in the world that they deplore.

Responsible officials should always be ready to denounce racism. But their job description also requires them to provide realistic policy answers to quell the rage. If center-right and center-left politicians fail to do this, their parties will remain suspect. Yet if Britain’s vote is understandable, it’s also a cause for sadness. It’s a vote against a more open world and a rejection of the idea that democracies can actually gain power by pooling sovereignty and seeking goals in common.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ecb_story.html

[Truth Detector]

LMAO @ "unnecessary crisis". Now that is some gunny azzed crap there.

Yep; in big statist Fascist land, we can't have the sheeple getting out of control and wanting to take things in their own hands. Sieg Heil!

[Chris]

To me the lesson learned is big government has failed to meet its promise and hope. I realize that's an oversimplification, but I really think it's true and a good sign.

[Cigar]

To me the lesson learned is big government has failed to meet its promise and hope. I realize that's an oversimplification, but I really think it's true and a good sign.

Somewhere in Britain

... a 55 years old just saw his Pension and Retirement saving go Poof and an that 18 year old Geographic Job prospects decrees by 28

You Order it, you Eat It

[zelmo1234]

I find a few things funny about this. Remember When Cameron was elected the press was talking about it being a defeat for Conservatives?

Now we find that he is the most conservative person that ever lived.

Next, there is not Racism Involved. The Left has gotten more play out of this so they keep trying to use it, but most thinking people understand that Not wanting Terrorist to be able to come into you country and kill you, is a bit more mainstream.

And the Crisis will be very short term in the UK. In the end they will be far better off being a self governing nation again.

The lesson to be learned here, which of course people like cigar are afraid of, is that the people don't have to submit to government wishes and whims.

This plays well in making the Fall elections in the USA about change, and Hillary can't win a Change Election.

[zelmo1234]

Somewhere in Britain

... a 55 years old just saw his Pension and Retirement saving go Poof and an that 18 year old Geographic Job prospects decrees by 28

And in a Few months that same 55 year old will have doubled that account, and the 18 year old will not have to compete with all of the immigrants that are willing to work for far less than he can live on.

Amazing how that happens..

Now that the UK will be charging all of the importers tariffs, it is likely that some of them will return home and start employing people there.

The EU, much like the policies of the UN and President Obama are about Wealth distribution, from the wealthy countries to the poor. The people of the UK have had enough of that crap.

You Order it, you Eat It

[Chris]

Somewhere in Britain

... a 55 years old just saw his Pension and Retirement saving go Poof and an that 18 year old Geographic Job prospects decrees by 28

You Order it, you Eat It

Is that a fact? And is it a fact that that was caused by a vote which hasn't even yet been acted on?

[Cigar]

Is that a fact? And is it a fact that that was caused by a vote which hasn't even yet been acted on?

There will be no second referendum, cabinet agrees

The Cabinet agreed this morning there would be no second referendum. David Cameron will spell that out in his Commons statement this afternoon.

They don’t want false hopes or complications beyond the ones already visited on the country.

Oliver Letwin is overseeing the “scoping” exercise on what is and isn’t possible in a negotiation. The idea of Michael Gove being lead negotiator dates back to when, a touch unrealistically, he and others on the Leave side thought they could persuade David Cameron to stay put for longer.

Boris Johnson just emerged from Downing Street to state again his support for a points based immigration system combined somehow with access to the single market.

http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbo...t-agrees/33044


Facts? We no need no stinking Facts

[Dangermouse]

I find a few things funny about this. Remember When Cameron was elected the press was talking about it being a defeat for Conservatives?

Now we find that he is the most conservative person that ever lived.

Next, there is not Racism Involved. The Left has gotten more play out of this so they keep trying to use it, but most thinking people understand that Not wanting Terrorist to be able to come into you country and kill you, is a bit more mainstream.

And the Crisis will be very short term in the UK. In the end they will be far better off being a self governing nation again.

The lesson to be learned here, which of course people like cigar are afraid of, is that the people don't have to submit to government wishes and whims.

This plays well in making the Fall elections in the USA about change, and Hillary can't win a Change Election.

No racism here, nothing to see...

[Chris]

There will be no second referendum, cabinet agrees

The Cabinet agreed this morning there would be no second referendum. David Cameron will spell that out in his Commons statement this afternoon.

They don’t want false hopes or complications beyond the ones already visited on the country.

Oliver Letwin is overseeing the “scoping” exercise on what is and isn’t possible in a negotiation. The idea of Michael Gove being lead negotiator dates back to when, a touch unrealistically, he and others on the Leave side thought they could persuade David Cameron to stay put for longer.

Boris Johnson just emerged from Downing Street to state again his support for a points based immigration system combined somehow with access to the single market.

http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbo...t-agrees/33044


Facts? We no need no stinking Facts

So you can show causation?