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Thread: Martin Van Creveld: Hands off Syria, Hands off Iran

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    Straight talk on Iran and on Bibi's blatant demand that the US go to war and his meddling in the US elections.

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    When Syrians finally get fed up playing HATO's games inside Syria, they'll go outside the box
    and do something creative. Attachment 626

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    The Creveld summary looks very accurate and , as you say , pragmatic .
    The only area where I await clarification is whether there is va real US - Israel major opinion difference , or not -- the games theory .
    I suspect Obama is naturally waiting post re-election times before making further major statements and I feel sure that whatever is said publicly that Israel the UK and possibly the French will continue their obstructionist policy against Iran developments -- cyber war and targeted assassinations .
    All splendid stuff for the connoisseur but a little out of some people's grasp here .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carygrant View Post
    The Creveld summary looks very accurate and , as you say , pragmatic .
    The only area where I await clarification is whether there is va real US - Israel major opinion difference , or not -- the games theory .
    I suspect Obama is naturally waiting post re-election times before making further major statements and I feel sure that whatever is said publicly that Israel the UK and possibly the French will continue their obstructionist policy against Iran developments -- cyber war and targeted assassinations .
    All splendid stuff for the connoisseur but a little out of some people's grasp here .
    The central question IMO ... are the sanctions working? How much longer can they pay the salaries of the Republican Guard? Then what?

    And I just like reading Creveld.. He makes sense to me when so many of the pundits and beating asses don't.

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    Regarding US aggression against many countries at the behest of Talmudists:

    We've been doing it a long time. Here is simple analysis of our treachery:

    The US treaty of peace with the Seminole:
    A covenant solemnly made, and solemnly sworn to, guaranteed their right to the soil, and the Seminole was satisfied.

    The coveteous said, “the Seminoles must be dispossessed; they must remove to another land; we shall find them a home in the west, on the great plains; there they will have wide hunting-grounds, their own for ever.”

    “No,” responded the Seminoles; “we do not wish to move; we are contented here: we love our native land; we do not wish to leave it; we shall stay.”
    “Then you will not go willingly? Be it so. We are strong, you are weak; we shall force you.”
    Though not the letter, this is the very spirit of the reply which Jackson made to the Seminoles!

    Some pretext must be found to dispossess them.
    The country was soon filled with rumours of Indians—of horses and cattle stolen, of plantations plundered, of white travellers robbed and murdered—all the work of those savage Seminoles.
    A vile frontier press, ever ready to give tongue to the popular furor, did not fail in its duty of exaggeration.

    But who was to gazette the provocations, the retaliations, the wrongs and cruelties inflicted by the other side? All these were carefully concealed.

    A sentiment was soon created throughout the country—a sentiment of bitter hostility towards the Seminole.
    “Kill the savage! Hunt him down! Drive him out! Away with him to the west!” Thus was the sentiment expressed. These became the popular cries.

    When the people of the United States have a wish, it is likely soon to seek gratification, particularly when the government itself having created it.

    The treaty could not be broken under the light of day; how then, was this obstructive covenant to be got rid of?

    Call the head men together, cajole them out of it; the chiefs are human, they are poor, some of them drunkards—bribes will go far, fire-water still farther; make a new treaty with a double construction—the ignorant savages will not understand it; obtain their signatures—the thing is done!
    It was done. On the 9th of May, 1832, on the banks of the Oclawaha, the chiefs of the Seminole nation in full council assembled bartered away the land of their fathers!
    Such was the report given to the world.

    It was not true.

    It was not a full council of chiefs; it was an assembly of traitors bribed and suborned, of weak men flattered and intimidated. No wonder the nation refused to accede to this surreptitious covenant; no wonder they heeded not its terms; but had to be summoned to still another council, for a freer and fuller signification of their consent.
    The signers were regarded as traitors, and justly so. Their lives were in danger; even their own retainers disapproved of what they had done.

    To understand the position, it is necessary to say a word of the political status of the Seminoles. Perhaps in no other community in the world did there exist so perfect a condition of freedom; I might add happiness, for the latter is but the natural offspring of the former.

    Their state has been compared to that of the clans of Highland Scotland. The parallel is true only in one respect. Like the Gael, the Seminoles were without any common organisation. They lived in “tribes” far apart, each politically independent of the other; and although in friendly relationship, there was no power of coercion between them.

    The Seminole had never consented to be governed;
    they had not yet surrendered up the natural rights of man.

    The chieftains possessed no power over life or property; they could not decree punishment. A jury alone can do this; and I make bold to affirm, that the punishments among these people were in juster proportion to the crimes than those decreed in the highest courts of civilisation.

    It was a system of the purest republican freedom, without one idea of the levelling principle; for merit produced distinction and authority. Property was not in common, though labour was partially so; but this community of toil was a mutual arrangement, agreeable to all. The ties of family were as sacred and strong as ever existed on earth.

    Therefore, the USA did its utmost to destroy them.

    Osceola the Seminole The Red Fawn of the Flower LandAuthor: Mayne ReidIllustrator: N. Orr, (Engraver)Release Date: March 20, 2011 [EBook #35620]Produced by Nick Hodson of London, England http://www.gutenberg.org/files/35620...-h/35620-h.htmAttachment 667

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    Should we burn the Talmudists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Should we burn the Talmudists?
    We should crucify or burn the Talmudic drivel in our own minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan88 View Post
    We should crucify or burn the Talmudic drivel in our own minds.
    This thread isn't about treaties with the Seminoles............

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaarona View Post
    This thread isn't about treaties with the Seminoles............
    It is about our shameful treatment of the Seminoles. It shows we continue our shameful behavior without repentence.

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    And satan is not some guy tempting us. Satan is oursleves when we hijack the beautiful bodies and minds God gave us.
    Those who confess their sins, repent and let God save them from themselves are saved from themselves.
    Those who cling to themselves as righteous, cannot be saved from the satan of self, until they confess and repent.
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    Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are actually allies of Israel in its belligerence (desire of war) against Iran. And this not only verbally.

    The main reason for the current escalating aggression of Israel (and that should say something, recalling the consistently aggressive ambient noise!) seems to be the uniqueness of the current constellation. Precisely for this reason, Netanyahu is literally blackmailing the Americans and lies so-and-so about a “already tomorrow” of the mythical Iranian bomb. What should he do otherwise, when he is confronted with such a potpourri of quasi-allies in his womb? When will there again be such a convenient situation?

    There is another reason which seems to boost Netanyahu to topple the region as soon as possible into a war (and to be so naive to believe to still be able to maintain the control).

    This reason is the vanished Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah, who is missing for some time. To be more precise – he is missing since the 27 August, the day on which the Crown Prince Salman has taken over all affairs of the kingdom. Better said: Abdullah as such, or its disappearance, or even his death, is naturally no real reason to overdraw the region with war, of course. He is not the problem, but the problem is that the era of the Saudi generation of rulers comes to an end.

    In the end, Netanyahu visionary sees throughout the entire Middle East region that Israel’s worst nightmare could come true: a surviving Syria and the only remaining serious player in the region, namely Iran. And moreover, that it is in a de facto alliance with the Shiite Iraq.


    More at:

    http://www.syrianews.cc/israelis-and...le-east-final/

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