Best argument against abortion

[Peter1469]

When does a woman have the right to own her body?

When does a human have a right to life?

I would say when a soul attaches to it. Some traditions say about the time of birth. Others say much earlier.

[Safety]

When does a human have a right to life?

I would say when a soul attaches to it. Some traditions say about the time of birth. Others say much earlier.

I guess the next question is whether or not the right to life supersedes the right to control one's body, especially when the life in question is dependent fully on the host's body. Maybe if technology were to advance more to the point where the embryo can be removed and developed outside the woman's body, the argument over abortion would cease to exist.

But then, would the question move to who would be responsible for the care and cost of the child, seeing how entitlements are not a popular topic to discuss...

[Oboe]

If abortion is murder does that mean all miscarriages should be charged as involuntary manslaughter?

Now there's the liberal logic we've all been waiting for.

[Oboe]

I guess the next question is whether or not the right to life supersedes the right to control one's body, especially when the life in question is dependent fully on the host's body. Maybe if technology were to advance more to the point where the embryo can be removed and developed outside the woman's body, the argument over abortion would cease to exist.

But then, would the question move to who would be responsible for the care and cost of the child, seeing how entitlements are not a popular topic to discuss...

How about the argument for personal responsibility?

[Safety]

How about the argument for personal responsibility?

What about it?

[Peter1469]

I guess the next question is whether or not the right to life supersedes the right to control one's body, especially when the life in question is dependent fully on the host's body. Maybe if technology were to advance more to the point where the embryo can be removed and developed outside the woman's body, the argument over abortion would cease to exist.

But then, would the question move to who would be responsible for the care and cost of the child, seeing how entitlements are not a popular topic to discuss...

Unless you want a death cult, the right to life trumps.

The welfare argument seems to be an appeal for abortion / homicide. No need to feed that.

[Safety]

It's all relative. For every argument that abortion is a device for convenience, there are the same number of arguments that a woman should have the choice to choose what she wants for her body.

[Peter1469]

It's all relative. For every argument that abortion is a device for convenience, there are the same number of arguments that a woman should have the choice to choose what she wants for her body.

Those arguments leave out the consideration of what happens when there is a homicide. They ignore that part.

[Safety]

Those arguments leave out the consideration of what happens when there is a homicide. They ignore that part.

Probably because some think it is hyperbole to consider it homicide when it isnt viable outside the body. For it to continue to grow and live, it requires the host.

[Peter1469]

Probably because some think it is hyperbole to consider it homicide when it isnt viable outside the body. For it to continue to grow and live, it requires the host.

If the soul has attached then we have a problem. The fetus isn't going to grow into a sofa.

The homicide word will not be used because it is against the agenda.