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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    There's a vital difference between opposing something that you say or want to do because it runs counter to my principles or beliefs, on the one hand, and resolving to oppose and obstruct anything you say or do before you even say or do it.
    Obama, like Clinton--and I think Trump--stand for a vision of government I generally oppose. So it is on principle. Were I a lawmaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    Please Post your evidence that proves the Market really isn't at 18,000 and the National Unemployment Rate isn't at 4.9%


    Please take all the time you need.
    Responded to several times. Your facts aren't wrong. They are just small parts of the bigger picture.

    Go back and see what I have already posted over and over.
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    In short, Cigar, your facts are cherry picked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    It is a well documented, historical fact that Congressional Republicans decided and agreed between themselves about seven-and-a-half years ago that they would put all of their efforts into making Barack Obama's Presidency as much of a failure as possible - to oppose anything and everything he proposed, and to cast all of his actions and efforts in the worst possible light. Despite that considerable roadblock, the President has accomplished much of value for the American people - and, perhaps as importantly, he has done so while demonstrating as much poise, sheer class and good humor as any human being could possibly be expected to show, and then some. In the face of probably more unthinking hatred, resentment and partisan stupidity than any other Chief Executive has ever had to face, President Barack Obama's actions, reactions and temperament - while not without the occasional flaw or misstep - have been a marvel.

    http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/
    I think it would be more amazing had they decided to help him in every way possible. Of course they didn’t. Would you expect the Democrats to help Trump if he were elected?
    ‘[…]he has done so while demonstrating as much poise, sheer class and good humor as any human being could possibly be expected to show, and then some.’

    Improved America’s image abroad, helped businesses, created race to the top, recapitalized Banks . . . are you serious? America’s image has been the worst it’s ever been. Bankruptcies reached record levels under Obama. ‘Race to the top’, otherwise known as Common Core was being taught back in the USSR and recapitalizing banks is another way of saying you, the tax payer, paid for the mess.

    I could get the same stuff from Obama’s website. I don’t mean propaganda, I meant what has he done that you can explain as being something the ‘greatest President’ will be remembered for.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    In short, Cigar, your facts are cherry picked.

    Yes or No ... are those numbers correct?

    Whether you are personally better or not, is solely based on your experience, but those numbers are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Responded to several times. Your facts aren't wrong. They are just small parts of the bigger picture.

    Go back and see what I have already posted over and over.

    Still waiting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    Still waiting
    Asked and answered.

    You can't afford me as your secretary. $350 an hour.
    Last edited by Peter1469; 07-29-2016 at 08:29 AM.
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    It’s not a ‘heavy’ post. When we look back over time, certain people are remembered because they stood out. Churchill, Stalin, Thatcher, Reagan . . . good or bad, they helped change the world we live in, they’re amongst the giants of the 20th century. Then I think, Jimmy Carter and I think, peanut farmer. Yet what did he do, what is he famous for? Without checking, I’ve no idea, but there again, my excuse is that he wasn’t presented as the greatest American President ever. Then I think Obama and I get a blank.

    Conversely, not everything is Obama’s fault, he inherited a lot of the c**p, that’s true. Yet when I renember the ‘change we can believe in’, ‘yes we can’ and ‘fundementally changing America’ (presumably for the better), I still get a blank. Obama is a president, of course he did things; he signed order number whatever and propsed legislation that no one remebers without looking it up on google, but the question remains. After eight years, has America got better, as a country and/or for you.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    Please Post your evidence that proves the Market really isn't at 18,000 and the National Unemployment Rate isn't at 4.9%


    Please take all the time you need.
    It isn't about 'official' evidence Cigar. Look at the abysmal GDP figures, relate that to a 'booming economy' and wonder why at an official unemployment rate of 5% (strange, UK says it has 5% as well), 46m are on food stamps and also relate it to poverty rates. You get a very different picture.








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