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    Hundred Years War: Battle of Crecy

    Hundred Years War: Battle of Crecy

    It was a bad day for the French to attempt a heavy cavalry charge. The outnumbered English had longbow men and the ground was muddy. The French nobility was slaughtered. It was a decisive battle in the 100 Years War.

    Conflict & Date:The Battle of Crécy was fought August 26, 1346, during the Hundred Years' War (1337-1453).
    Armies & Commanders:
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    • Philip VI
    • 20,000-80,000 men
    Advancing with Antonio Doria and Carlo Grimaldi's Genoese crossbowmen in the lead, the French knights followed with lines led by the Duke D’Alencon, Duke of Lorraine, and Count of Blois, while Philip commanded the rearguard. Moving to the attack, the crossbowmen fired a series of volleys at the English. These proved ineffective as a brief thunderstorm before the battle had wet and slackened the crossbowstrings. The English archers on the other hand had simply untied their bowstrings during the storm.

    This coupled with the longbow's ability to fire every five seconds gave the English archers a dramatic advantage over the crossbowmen who could only get off one to two shots per minute. The Genoese position was worsened by the fact that in the rush to battle their pervises (shields to hide behind while reloading) had not been brought forward. Coming under devastating fire from Edward's archers, the Genoese began withdrawing. Angered by the crossbowmen's retreat, the French knights fired insults at them and even cut several down.


    Charging forward, the French front lines fell into confusion as they collided with the retreating Genoese. As the two bodies of men tried to move past each other they came under fire from the English archers and five early cannon (some sources debate their presence). Continuing the attack, the French knights were forced to negotiate the slope of the ridge and the man-made obstacles. Cut down in large numbers by the archers, the felled knights and their horses blocked the advance of those to the rear. During this time, Edward received a message from his son requesting aid.
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    Philip VI had nowhere near 80,000 men and total French losses were probably around a few thousand. As I always say, ancient and medieval headcounts are notoriously unreliable and sometimes absolutely ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Philip VI had nowhere near 80,000 men and total French losses were probably around a few thousand. As I always say, ancient and medieval headcounts are notoriously unreliable and sometimes absolutely ridiculous.

    That said, i appreciate you bumping the History Room.
    I agree about the casualty count and troop strength. That was English propaganda. But we know an impressive list of French nobility died that day. That is what was important about that battle.
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    edward iii was probably the greatest of the english monarchs

    i highly recommend ian mortimer's biography of him

    king john of bohemia fascinates me

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    The Black Prince earned his spurs at that battle. He went on to win another major victory at Poitiers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I agree about the casualty count and troop strength. That was English propaganda. But we know an impressive list of French nobility died that day. That is what was important about that battle.
    I'm not sure it was propaganda as we understand it today but rather the rhetorical custom of the times. An example you might find interesting can be found in the Bible with regard to the Israelite conquest of Canaan. The descriptions of Joshua and company's depredations are highly stylized and we can see this in their close resemblance to Egyptian New Kingdom imperial rhetoric. We know the Egyptian texts are highly stylized and formulaic in their descriptions of sieges etc. because the sites that were supposedly "utterly destroyed" seemed to have gone back to life as usual shortly after the Egyptian assaults. It stands to reason and seems quite likely that the description of the Israelite conquest of Canaan in the Bible was a similarly stylized and formulaic accounts of military success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The Black Prince earned his spurs at that battle. He went on to win another major victory at Poitiers.
    Quite a young man at the time as I recall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Quite a young man at the time as I recall.
    Yes, he was 16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Yes, he was 16.
    Those called to duties of state had to grow up fast in this days.
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