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    One reason Jews became the bankers and money lenders was because the Church condemned charging interest. Christians could not and would not lend money and collect interest but since it was not a "crime" but a moral sin Jews were under no such restrictions. People have always needed a source of money, bankers and money lenders provided that source and Jews were the bankers and money lenders. But, then as now, people were happy to borrow but very reluctant to pay back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    It's just we know so little of Shakespeare for as great a writer he was.
    That's true - this panel was talking about that - and how Shakespeare was a man who did not promote himself - he presented his work, and sort of disappeared into the shadows.

    When we lived in the UK, my school took us to the new Globe Theatre - it was mega cool. We were doing Richard III at that time. Most of my mates don't, but I like doing Shakespeare.

    It makes you think, like the line from Romeo & Juliet. "Romeo, Romeo - wherefore art thou Romeo?" At first it didn't make sense, cos I thought she was saying "Where are you?" and he was right there in front of the balcony. But then I worked out that she was really saying "Why are you called Romeo?" The next lines are the clue - Deny thy father and refuse thy name; or if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love and I’ll no longer be a Capulet. Then she goes on to say - What’s in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.

    One of the reasons I like reading Shakespeare is it's like a game, where you have clues (old words) and you have to work out the real meaning.
    Oh, I wish I were a glow worm,
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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    That's true - this panel was talking about that - and how Shakespeare was a man who did not promote himself - he presented his work, and sort of disappeared into the shadows.

    When we lived in the UK, my school took us to the new Globe Theatre - it was mega cool. We were doing Richard III at that time. Most of my mates don't, but I like doing Shakespeare.

    It makes you think, like the line from Romeo & Juliet. "Romeo, Romeo - wherefore art thou Romeo?" At first it didn't make sense, cos I thought she was saying "Where are you?" and he was right there in front of the balcony. But then I worked out that she was really saying "Why are you called Romeo?" The next lines are the clue - Deny thy father and refuse thy name; or if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love and I’ll no longer be a Capulet. Then she goes on to say - What’s in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.

    One of the reasons I like reading Shakespeare is it's like a game, where you have clues (old words) and you have to work out the real meaning.

    Yes, that would be cool to go see the Globe Theater (American spelling ). At college I saw a few plays in theater but mostly I've seen movies and read the plays. I think my favorite has always been "Midsummer's Night Dream" especially the play within the play.

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    Devouring Time, blunt thou the lion's paws,
    And make the earth devour her own sweet brood;
    Pluck the keen teeth from the fierce tiger's jaws,
    And burn the long-lived phoenix in her blood;
    Make glad and sorry seasons as thou fleet'st,
    And do whate'er thou wilt, swift-footed Time,
    To the wide world and all her fading sweets;
    But I forbid thee one most heinous crime:
    O, carve not with thy hours my love's fair brow,
    Nor draw no lines there with thine antique pen;
    Him in thy course untainted do allow
    For beauty's pattern to succeeding men.
    Yet, do thy worst, old Time: despite thy wrong,
    My love shall in my verse ever live young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    It was fairly common back them to condemn usury.
    Sure wish the capitalists of today would condemn usury!
    Let's see how much care and compassion Trump and Republicans show for their fellow Americans to truly help them out in their time of need.

    Let's start the count to see if Trump comes through on the many things he promised to do for Americans. If he doesn't, along with a Republican Congress, then what's his and their excuse?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueBlue View Post
    Sure wish the capitalists of today would condemn usury!
    Why? The interest purchases your immediate use and my delayed use. All a matter of time preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yes, that would be cool to go see the Globe Theater (American spelling ). At college I saw a few plays in theater but mostly I've seen movies and read the plays. I think my favorite has always been "Midsummer's Night Dream" especially the play within the play.
    Lol, not that it's important, but our English teacher says all proper nouns must be given their original spelling. So I would be marked wrong if I wrote Pearl Harbour - it is an American place, and the correct name is Pearl Harbor. Even though in English, the proper spelling for an anchorage is harbour. So while you go to the theater in America - it is the Globe Theatre in London.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I think we tend to see what we want to see but I don't think it's necessarily a choice between disliking Jews or of being sympathetic to them. Personally, I don't see any contradiction in presenting Shylock as a complex personality with legitimate complaints about European society while condemning his greed and vindictive nature at the same time.
    Also true. Shakespeare was brilliant at getting inside his own character's heads and empathizing with them.

    But there is something to be said about being able to do that and willing to put it in his plays.

    Obviously, we cannot know what he was thinking, but I think there is something suggestive about his refusal to overly indulge contemporary polemicist viewpoints.
    Power always thinks it has a great soul, and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak. And that it is doing God service when it is violating all His laws.
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    One of my favorite Shakespeare lines is from Merchant...

    The villainy you teach me I will execute—and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.

    Now that's ruthless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Also true. Shakespeare was brilliant at getting inside his own character's heads and empathizing with them.

    But there is something to be said about being able to do that and willing to put it in his plays.

    Obviously, we cannot know what he was thinking, but I think there is something suggestive about his refusal to overly indulge contemporary polemicist viewpoints.
    See, that's what I think is really going on. Shakespeare is exploring a perennial ethnic conflict without resorting to caricature. He makes it very human and thus very real.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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