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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    I recently bought a copy of Mein Kampf - I've read it before, but now I want to do sort of a read-through on the forum of it.

    Upon reading both that I bought a copy of Mein Kampf and want to do a study of it on the forum, most rational people start to get uncomfortable, and rightfully so, so I feel I must be clear on something before this starts: This will not be a pro-Hitler study. I myself am a firm follower of Judaism, and I find the man and his ideas repugnant. The point is rather to shine a light on the darkness of Hitler's mind. To quote Abraham Foxman, who wrote the introduction to my copy of Mein Kampf (the quote itself from that introduction):



    This is why I made this a tPF thread. Any neo-Nazis that want to come out of the shadows and try posting propaganda as a result of this thread will be crushed swiftly. This will not become a pro-Hitler or pro-Nazi thread.

    I've not read it -- and I can't say that I ever will -- but I understand your desire to see what drove the monster.

    One does not become a monster out of the womb. It takes time, external influence, a desire for power and a narrow-minded predilection to see only one way -- your way.

    I'm not sure that you'll find the answers you seek in Mein Kampf, but I wish you luck. He wrote that early-on, when his political ambitions and his "solution" were not yet formed in his troubled psyche.

    He wrote a second book just before he rose to power, and while I haven't read that one either, I wonder if it would reveal a change in the man's thinking. I heard not long ago that the second book had been published.

    I'd be open to discussing little bits you find to be of interest, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    I've not read it -- and I can't say that I ever will -- but I understand your desire to see what drove the monster.

    One does not become a monster out of the womb. It takes time, external influence, a desire for power and a narrow-minded predilection to see only one way -- your way.

    I'm not sure that you'll find the answers you seek in Mein Kampf, but I wish you luck. He wrote that early-on, when his political ambitions and his "solution" were not yet formed in his troubled psyche.

    He wrote a second book just before he rose to power, and while I haven't read that one either, I wonder if it would reveal a change in the man's thinking. I heard not long ago that the second book had been published.

    I'd be open to discussing little bits you find to be of interest, however.
    Are you referring to Zweites Buch, written in 1924?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    People don't bat an eye when the history of the Roman empire is discussed. Many people even glory in the legacy of the Roman empire and most people don't seem to mind that either. But the Roman empire was every bit as evil as the Nazis, if not more so. They conquered and enslaved millions and slaughtered millions more. Their public entertainment was as grisly and bloody as anything. And their ruling classes gave new meaning to the words greed and avarice. The only reason why people are so uncomfortable with the Nazis is not because of the crimes they committed, but because they're told to be uncomfortable by the modern ruling classes. Simply put, it's pure conformism and sheepishness and has little if any intellectual or moral basis.
    Time can heal a lot of wounds. I don't think society is there yet with regards to leaders like Hitler and Stalin, and the actions they took.

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    It would be interesting to read an original German copy. Books always lose something after translation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    It would be interesting to read an original German copy. Books always lose something after translation.
    I've been trying to learn German when I can find the time. Mostly because it's a beautiful country with a beautiful culture and a beautiful language, but also so I can read German works (such as Mein Kampf) in the original language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    I've been trying to learn German when I can find the time. Mostly because it's a beautiful country with a beautiful culture and a beautiful language, but also so I can read German works (such as Mein Kampf) in the original language.
    My ancestry is Prussian, but I prefer Italy, Spain and France to Germany.
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    I have read it twice. I read it once in college and then once when I got out of school. I truly believe in the old adage and if we don't study history we are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    I've been trying to learn German when I can find the time. Mostly because it's a beautiful country with a beautiful culture and a beautiful language, but also so I can read German works (such as Mein Kampf) in the original language.
    You can apply to universities as a non-degree student and study languages specifically. It's nearly impossible to learn a language without some formal education. I taught myself basic Russian when I was 13 but I still can only read and write a minimal amount because the Cyrillic alphabet is something that basically has to be formally taught. German is admittedly easier than Russian because the alphabet is nearly the same (other than the umlauts and scharfes S). Most people don't know how or when to use umlauts. Boehner is actually Böhner, for example - umlauts when anglicized become oe, ue, ae, and scharfes S usually becomes ss or sz, I think (the scharfes S is a complicated letter). Also German has a lot in common with English, especially in terms of words that arose following the industrial revolution - car is auto, telephone is telefon, so forth.

    It really is a beautiful language, though. Unless you're being yelled at, in which case it is a terrifying language and you think you're about to be murdered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Are you referring to Zweites Buch, written in 1924?
    Perhaps it's called that somewhere, but this is the one I was referring to:

    https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Secon.../dp/1929631618

    It's just titled "Hitler's Second Book" and the English translation was not published until 2006.

    From Publishers Weekly

    In 1958, while directing the microfilming and organization of a trove of archives that the U.S. forces had taken from the Nazis at the end of WWII, historian Weinberg (A World at Arms) discovered the manuscript of a second book that Hitler had written but never published. The manuscript was published in German in 1961, accompanied by Weinberg's annotations, but this is the first authoritative English version (a pirated and poor translation appeared in the 1960s). The text bears all of Hitler's hallmarks: rambling thoughts, half-baked ideas, pedantic writing-along with a terrifying, sustained belief in war and violence as the means to ensure that Germans would flourish. Compared to Mein Kampf, there are fewer pages devoted to Jews. Nonetheless, what comes across most strongly is Hitler's abiding commitment to the principle of race and his identification of Jews as the enemy that threatened to undo all that Germans had created. Hitler dwells at length on foreign policy, and outlines a strategy of alliance with Fascist Italy and Great Britain. (He actually believed that Britain would accept a German-dominated European continent so long as Germany did not challenge the overseas British empire.) He also foresees an inevitable clash with the United States. This provides solid historical background on Hitler's thinking in the late 1920s, when his party was nothing more than a tiny, radical sect. Weinberg provides helpful notes and a very informative introduction.
    After I heard this was published, posthumously, I wondered if it would reveal a change in the man that would allow us to see "red flags." It's always easier, in retrospect, to pick out those things. It's just too bad we don't have a crystal ball so we can stop something so horrific from ever happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    I've been trying to learn German when I can find the time. Mostly because it's a beautiful country with a beautiful culture and a beautiful language, but also so I can read German works (such as Mein Kampf) in the original language.
    That's quite an undertaking but a very admirable one.

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