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    I'm pretty sure I don't have a copy of 'Mein Kampf' at this time, but I do own a copy of David Duke's 'My Awakening'. I picked it up at a local thrift shop a few years ago for a couple of dollars, and thought it might be interesting to read the man's thinking first-hand, but at this point I seriously doubt that I will ever take the time to do that. The thing is...it's a signed copy, and I'm torn between just letting the thing take up shelf space or either selling it or donating it somewhere. If I put something like that on eBay - assuming they even accepted the listing - a lot of people would probably assume that I was promoting or endorsing Duke's ideas by selling the book. I could donate the thing to a charity thrift shop or book sale, but then you'd potentially have people going ballistic when they saw it there, or - worse - potentially have someone buy it, read it and have their beliefs reinforced by it.

    A number of years ago, when John Wayne Gacy was still alive and in prison, I had an opportunity to buy a couple of his clown paintings for a really good price, and I almost did it. Glad now that I did not, because, if anything, divesting oneself of something like that would be even more problematic than having the signed Duke volume and not quite knowing what to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    The problem as I see it with banning anything is that it creates a "forbidden" mystique, and folks (especially young folks) like nothing more than to figure out why something is forbidden. It's a lure.
    I get it and I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I'm pretty sure I don't have a copy of 'Mein Kampf' at this time, but I do own a copy of David Duke's 'My Awakening'. I picked it up at a local thrift shop a few years ago for a couple of dollars, and thought it might be interesting to read the man's thinking first-hand, but at this point I seriously doubt that I will ever take the time to do that. The thing is...it's a signed copy, and I'm torn between just letting the thing take up shelf space or either selling it or donating it somewhere. If I put something like that on eBay - assuming they even accepted the listing - a lot of people would probably assume that I was promoting or endorsing Duke's ideas by selling the book. I could donate the thing to a charity thrift shop or book sale, but then you'd potentially have people going ballistic when they saw it there, or - worse - potentially have someone buy it, read it and have their beliefs reinforced by it.

    A number of years ago, when John Wayne Gacy was still alive and in prison, I had an opportunity to buy a couple of his clown paintings for a really good price, and I almost did it. Glad now that I did not, because, if anything, divesting oneself of something like that would be even more problematic than having the signed Duke volume and not quite knowing what to do with it.
    Hitler had interesting insights into European history, the role of Jews and so on but it's not something you can't get elsewhere. I had a copy at one point but I don't know what happened to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    I can acknowledge the good that came out of the Roman Empire without thinking the empire itself was 100% good, but that's a debate for another time.
    Good came out of the Nazis too - medical sciences and project paperclip.

    It is what it is.

    Fear profits a man nothing.
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    Love me some Romans...
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I'm pretty sure I don't have a copy of 'Mein Kampf' at this time, but I do own a copy of David Duke's 'My Awakening'. I picked it up at a local thrift shop a few years ago for a couple of dollars, and thought it might be interesting to read the man's thinking first-hand, but at this point I seriously doubt that I will ever take the time to do that. The thing is...it's a signed copy, and I'm torn between just letting the thing take up shelf space or either selling it or donating it somewhere. If I put something like that on eBay - assuming they even accepted the listing - a lot of people would probably assume that I was promoting or endorsing Duke's ideas by selling the book. I could donate the thing to a charity thrift shop or book sale, but then you'd potentially have people going ballistic when they saw it there, or - worse - potentially have someone buy it, read it and have their beliefs reinforced by it.

    A number of years ago, when John Wayne Gacy was still alive and in prison, I had an opportunity to buy a couple of his clown paintings for a really good price, and I almost did it. Glad now that I did not, because, if anything, divesting oneself of something like that would be even more problematic than having the signed Duke volume and not quite knowing what to do with it.
    There are dealers in such material if you don't care that it is sold to someone espousing those views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I wouldn't read it. I wouldn't ban it, but I wouldn't let my children read it nor would I let it in my home. Y'know, thinking about it, I might ban it. Maybe. Possibly. There's a line. It's way out there. I've complained about one (1) post since I've been here. It was a vile anti-Semitic post that I asked a mod to remove. It was so so so vile, it crossed the line -- a line that I thought was universally recognized. To me, that book might be the one or two that is universally recognized. Like @Bethere, I'm not a book burner, I'm a free-speecher, I might though.
    I read many books I find vile and that espouse views I find abhorrent. As I quoted in the OP, we mustn't hide such things away and refuse to be knowledgable about them, because that ensures it will happen again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    Good came out of the Nazis too - medical sciences and project paperclip.

    It is what it is.

    Fear profits a man nothing.
    "Project Paperclip" wasn't because of Nazi effort, though, it was the result of American subterfuge.
    "We were taught under the old ethic that man's business on this earth was to look out for himself. That was the ethic of the jungle; the ethic of the wild beast. Take care of yourself, no matter what may become of your fellow man. Yes, I am my brother's keeper. I am under a moral obligation to him that is inspired, not by any maudlin sentimentality, but by the higher duty I owe to myself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Hitler had interesting insights into European history, the role of Jews and so on but it's not something you can't get elsewhere. I had a copy at one point but I don't know what happened to it.
    A lot of Hitler's reasoning was based on guys like Nietzsche and Martin Luther. You're right, there's nothing Hitler wrote that hasn't been written before or after and still exists in the academic world.

    While I don't remember exactly what passages from Mein Kampf we studied in Civics, I remember the overall class attitude that even reading them was wrong. I, myself, adopted that same attitude until somewhat recently when it dawned on me that Hitler's writings are just words and that I should treat them as I do the words of anyone else...with a grain of salt.

    Somewhere I have a hard copy, but now that I found the online text, I won't have to go dig it out of one of my many boxes of books. If GA is still interested, that is. I don't know that I'm up for reading the whole thing -- but, I'd read and comment on individual sections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    I read many books I find vile and that espouse views I find abhorrent. As I quoted in the OP, we mustn't hide such things away and refuse to be knowledgable about them, because that ensures it will happen again.
    Agreed.
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