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    Mein Kampf

    I recently bought a copy of Mein Kampf - I've read it before, but now I want to do sort of a read-through on the forum of it.

    Upon reading both that I bought a copy of Mein Kampf and want to do a study of it on the forum, most rational people start to get uncomfortable, and rightfully so, so I feel I must be clear on something before this starts: This will not be a pro-Hitler study. I myself am a firm follower of Judaism, and I find the man and his ideas repugnant. The point is rather to shine a light on the darkness of Hitler's mind. To quote Abraham Foxman, who wrote the introduction to my copy of Mein Kampf (the quote itself from that introduction):

    ...Better not to make it widely available, some say, to keep it out of the hands of those who would revive the movement its author started.

    This argument deserves serious consideration, and has been accepted by many European governments which regulate the production and dissemination of Nazi materials in a variety of ways. The Bavarian Finance Ministry holds the continental European copyright to Mein Kampf, and routinely denies requests by authors to quote extended passages from it and by publishers to reprint it. Many European countries restrict the sale of existing copies to qualified academics. In December 2000, a Czech court issued a $50,000 fine to the publisher of an illegal Czech-language edition.

    These measures may seem extreme to many Americans; we cherish our First Amendment rights and find censorship anathema. But let us not forget that in the United States we have been blessed with two centuries of secure borders and political stability. Not so our European counterparts, who have experienced Nazism and other destructive social movements on their own soil. Their efforts to control their legacy of extremism should be respected, even if their methods are not ours.

    Mein Kampf presents a deeper problem, though, unrelated to such practical concerns as controlling extremism. It evokes discomfort and distaste, a desire to cover up its crude evil and let it recede from our consciousness. When we encounter things of beauty, it is natural to want to display them; here the tendency is reversed and the desire is to blot out this work of ugliness and depravity.

    We should not let ourselves succumb to this temptation. "Expunge the memory of Amalek from beneath the heavens," the Bible says, referring to one of Israel's ancient enemies; but the verse itself spread the memory of those malicious people throughout the world and preserved it for all time. Thus we learn the need for prudence. "Zakhor," we are taught, "Remember" - not just the victims but the evil that was done to them. Commit the evil to memory in order to reject it; reject the evil, but do not let yourself forget it. Zakhor, and so we keep the Nazi bible in print.

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    Here in the pages of Mein Kampf Hitler presented the world with his dark vision for the future. Years would pass before he attained the power to realize that vision, but Mein Kampf's existence denies the free world the excuse of ignorance. We dismissed him as a madman and we ignored his wretched book; the result was a tragedy of unprecedented proportions. This is yet another lesson to take from Mein Kampf: the lesson of vigilance and responsibility, of not closing our eyes to the evil around us. Since World War II, our societies have taken promising steps in this regard. It is our responsibility to ensure the continued progress of that civilizing trend.
    This is why I made this a tPF thread. Any neo-Nazis that want to come out of the shadows and try posting propaganda as a result of this thread will be crushed swiftly. This will not become a pro-Hitler or pro-Nazi thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    I recently bought a copy of Mein Kampf - I've read it before, but now I want to do sort of a read-through on the forum of it.

    Upon reading both that I bought a copy of Mein Kampf and want to do a study of it on the forum, most rational people start to get uncomfortable, and rightfully so, so I feel I must be clear on something before this starts: This will not be a pro-Hitler study. I myself am a firm follower of Judaism, and I find the man and his ideas repugnant. The point is rather to shine a light on the darkness of Hitler's mind. To quote Abraham Foxman, who wrote the introduction to my copy of Mein Kampf (the quote itself from that introduction):



    This is why I made this a tPF thread. Any neo-Nazis that want to come out of the shadows and try posting propaganda as a result of this thread will be crushed swiftly. This will not become a pro-Hitler or pro-Nazi thread.
    I haven't read this yet, but I will at some point. Subjecting ourselves to ideas that we disagree with is not only a good thing, but a vital thing. I have a friend that has a copy. Mayhaps I will be able to borrow it in order to go through it as well.
    "For all sad words of tongue and pen, The saddest are these, 'It might have been'." John Greenleaf Whittier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal Jordan View Post
    I haven't read this yet, but I will at some point. Subjecting ourselves to ideas that we disagree with is not only a good thing, but a vital thing. I have a friend that has a copy. Mayhaps I will be able to borrow it in order to go through it as well.
    I think the friend would be willing to loan you his copy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    I think the friend would be willing to loan you his copy
    I was meaning a different friend. I know you would be willing to. I was interested in going through it together, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal Jordan View Post
    I haven't read this yet, but I will at some point. Subjecting ourselves to ideas that we disagree with is not only a good thing, but a vital thing. I have a friend that has a copy. Mayhaps I will be able to borrow it in order to go through it as well.
    Free copy:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    I much prefer a physical copy, but this is a valuable resource. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal Jordan View Post
    I much prefer a physical copy, but this is a valuable resource. Thank you.
    Be the first on your block to actually read it. It's lengthy and it isn't written well. Struggle through it and let me know what you think.There is a new, legal, german edition for the first time ever. It is totally annotated to appease those who would ban it. This, of course is not it. As for me? I am not a book burner, but if forced to burn books I would start with this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    Be the first on your block to actually read it. It's lengthy and it isn't written well. Struggle through it and let me know what you think.There is a new, legal, german edition for the first time ever. It is totally annotated to appease those who would ban it. This, of course is not it. As for me? I am not a book burner, but if forced to burn books I would start with this one.
    That's a sentiment I would agree with.
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    People don't bat an eye when the history of the Roman empire is discussed. Many people even glory in the legacy of the Roman empire and most people don't seem to mind that either. But the Roman empire was every bit as evil as the Nazis, if not more so. They conquered and enslaved millions and slaughtered millions more. Their public entertainment was as grisly and bloody as anything. And their ruling classes gave new meaning to the words greed and avarice. The only reason why people are so uncomfortable with the Nazis is not because of the crimes they committed, but because they're told to be uncomfortable by the modern ruling classes. Simply put, it's pure conformism and sheepishness and has little if any intellectual or moral basis.
    Power always thinks it has a great soul, and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak. And that it is doing God service when it is violating all His laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    People don't bat an eye when the history of the Roman empire is discussed. Many people even glory in the legacy of the Roman empire and most people don't seem to mind that either. But the Roman empire was every bit as evil as the Nazis, if not more so. They conquered and enslaved millions and slaughtered millions more. Their public entertainment was as grisly and bloody as anything. And their ruling classes gave new meaning to the words greed and avarice. The only reason why people are so uncomfortable with the Nazis is not because of the crimes they committed, but because they're told to be uncomfortable by the modern ruling classes. Simply put, it's pure conformism and sheepishness and has little if any intellectual or moral basis.
    I can acknowledge the good that came out of the Roman Empire without thinking the empire itself was 100% good, but that's a debate for another time.
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