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    The Supreme Court oral argument that cost Democrats the presidency

    Interesting. The hard left woke Americas up with policies such as these. And they voted on November 8 against the hard left.

    The presidential election was so close that many factors were “but-for” causes of Donald Trump’s victory. One that’s been mostly overlooked is Trump’s surprising success with religious voters. According to exit polls, Trump received 81 percent of the white evangelical Christian vote, and Hillary Clinton only 16 percent. Trump did significantly better than the overtly religious Mitt Romney and the overtly evangelical George W. Bush. He likely over-performed among other theologically conservative voters, such as traditionalist Catholics, as well. Not bad for a thrice-married adulterer of no discernible faith.

    To what can we attribute Trump’s success? The most logical answer is that religious traditionalists felt that their religious liberty was under assault from liberals, and they therefore had to hold their noses and vote for Trump. AsSean Trende of RealClear Politics noted, since 2012:

    Democrats and liberals have: booed the inclusion of God in their platform at the 2012 convention (this is disputed, but it is the perception); endorsed a regulation that would allow transgendered students to use the bathroom and locker room corresponding to their identity; attempted to force small businesses to cover drugs they believe induce abortions; attempted to force nuns to provide contraceptive coverage; forced Brendan Eich to step down as chief executive officer of Mozilla due to his opposition to marriage equality; fined a small Christian bakery over $140,000 for refusing to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding; vigorously opposed a law in Indiana that would provide protections against similar regulations – despite having overwhelmingly supported similar laws when they protected Native American religious rights – and then scoured the Indiana countryside trying to find a business that would be affected by the law before settling upon a small pizza place in the middle of nowhere and harassing the owners. In 2015, the United States solicitor general suggested that churches might lose their tax exempt status if they refused to perform same-sex marriages. In 2016, the Democratic nominee endorsed repealing the Hyde Amendment, thereby endorsing federal funding for elective abortions.

    Megan McArdle of Bloomberg similarly pointed out, “Over the last few years, as controversies have erupted over the rights of cake bakers and pizza places to refuse to cater gay weddings, the rights of nuns to refuse to provide insurance that covers birth control, the rights of Catholic hospitals to refuse to perform abortions, and the rights of Christian schools to teach (and require students and teachers to practice) traditional Christian morality, some Christians have begun to feel that their communities are under existential threat.”
    This is why you lost:

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    I have mixed feelings about the death penalty, everytime I lean towards being against it. I think of Ted Bundy and Geoffrey Dahmer, Dylan Roof, the Pulse shooter had he lived and etc etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    I have mixed feelings about the death penalty, everytime I lean towards being against it. I think of Ted Bundy and Geoffrey Dahmer, Dylan Roof, the Pulse shooter had he lived and etc etc
    I think we should move away from the death penalty, although I am not too worried when some get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltky View Post
    Judge can overrule jury recommending life sentence and impose the death penalty...(
    Not in Ohio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
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    So, you think people voted for Trump as a repudiation of something having to do with gay people? Why would you think that, and what do you see Trump doing as President that would in any way edify those voters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I think that every society has the right to have a death penalty. I think that the US, because of our diversity and the problems associated with it should elect to not have a death penalty.
    The death penalty should continue but be as rare as abortion.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    So, you think people voted for Trump as a repudiation of something having to do with gay people? Why would you think that, and what do you see Trump doing as President that would in any way edify those voters?
    That's not what the article said. Read the article carefully. It had nothing to do with our friends that happen to be homosexual, according to the article it had everything to do with government compulsion over religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    That's not what the article said. Read the article carefully. It had nothing to do with our friends that happen to be homosexual, according to the article it had everything to do with government compulsion over religion.
    First, if the Solicitor General actually did suggest that "churches might lose their tax exempt status if they refused to perform same-sex marriages", he was high; strictly religious functions of the various religious bodies are protected under the First Amendment, and that will not change.

    What certain religionists do not seem to understand is that religious freedom is not a blank check when it comes to the rules and laws that govern business and other societal interactions of a public nature. Baking a cake, setting a broken leg, selling a car, if done as part of a licensed public business venture, is not a religious exercise - regardless of how religious the owners and operators of that business are or claim to be. Seeking to be exempt from a rule that any other like business has to follow on the grounds that to follow it would violate somebody's perception of a religious tenet is an attempt to establish a de facto special class of business operator who is free to pick and choose among the rules that govern his or her business.

    If some folks supported Trump in the hope that he would appoint judges whose rulings would return America to a time when the authorities turned a blind eye to discrimination of all kinds, particularly if the offenders invoked the name of God, I believe they are going to be disappointed, for the most part.
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    I think the entire penal system should be scrapped and some other way devised to address the crime issue. Perhaps the real problem is that too many things are illegal or the penalty for "crimes" are much too harsh. There are several societies for example that do not consider even murder to be a State issue but allows the victims of murders to sue the murderer for damages.
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    The entire PC / SJW culture.

    Read the entire article and don't fixate on the picture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    So, you think people voted for Trump as a repudiation of something having to do with gay people? Why would you think that, and what do you see Trump doing as President that would in any way edify those voters?
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