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    My UBC Rant

    From both the left as well as the right we are continually treated to the notion that Universal Background Checks are a good thing. Really?

    The right claims they have no issues with immigrants, regardless of who they are, provided they do so legally and that they are vetted. You mean vetted - as Donald Trump was vetted before running for the job of Commander in Chief? How'd that work out for you?

    Additionally, the right demands that Americans go through E-Verify in order to get a job. What??? They know full well that E-Verify relies on the National ID / REAL ID Act which is predicated on the Socialist Surveillance Number .....ooops "Social Security Number" and creates a system whereby spying on you at every level becomes possible. It also makes it a snap for any Tom, Slick or Harry to steal your identity.

    WHEN Hitlery assumes office, her first act will be to lobby Congress for a Universal Background Check in order to purchase a firearm. So, in order to exercise your Second Amendment Rights, you will have to forfeit your Fourth Amendment Rights - just as you have to forfeit them in order to get a job under right wing legislation. If you sell a private weapon, the only way to comply with the law is to register that weapon. Universal Background Checks will work no other way. So, in that regard, Universal Background Check = registered weapons. Registered weapons ultimately get confiscated (if you understand the cycles of history.)

    In the case of the right and National ID / REAL ID Act and E Verify, it was supposed to do great marvels in reducing so - called illegal immigration. That didn't work out too good. Today those same lobbyists are calling for more law enforcement, high walls around America, etc. What was gained by the National ID and background checks?

    The real question was, what was lost?

    BEFORE National ID / REAL ID Act and E-Verify the patriot movement had established that you did NOT need to get a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops, "Social Security Number." No SSN meant that you did not "volunteer" to pay the income tax. Now, having won on that issue, my own Congressman introduced a bill to repeal the Sixteenth Amendment, getting rid of the IRS and the income tax - and NO SSN NEEDED IN AMERICA.

    Presupposing the right was correct in their assumption (and they weren't) that undocumented foreigners did not pay tax, the pay as you go method would have revealed that and IF foreigners here without papers did not pay, they would have had to self deport. Instead, the American people lost. National ID / REAL ID Act and E Verify gave a pretext for the SSN. Identity became easier to steal; you could be followed around without the need for a warrant (and, no, not everything you do is necessarily legal.) The Fourth Amendment was gutted.

    Applying the Universal Background Check will yield no greater results with firearms. It may shut down gun shows and slow down private collectors. It may drive prices up. It will add to the assaults on the Fourth Amendment, but it will not save lives. Regardless of Universal Background Checks, people like Adam Lanza would have still succeeded in the Sandy Hook Massacre since his mother bought the weapons and did the whole background thing. Even according to the MSM:

    "A vast majority of guns used in 16 recent mass shootings, including two guns believed to be used in the Orlando attack, were bought legally and with a federal background check."

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...guns.html?_r=0

    The reality is, Universal Background Checks are about as effective as a eunuch in a $#@!house. There are better solutions. But, if the pro-gun lobby don't step up to the plate and reverse course, they are giving their Rights away. As for the left, if they don't understand the lesson from the mistakes of the right on this issue, it only proves the obvious that you won't take a fool's advice until you've been made a fool of yourself.

    "He who gives up essential Liberty for the promise of temporary deserves neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrounger View Post
    From both the left as well as the right we are continually treated to the notion that Universal Background Checks are a good thing. Really?

    The right claims they have no issues with immigrants, regardless of who they are, provided they do so legally and that they are vetted. You mean vetted - as Donald Trump was vetted before running for the job of Commander in Chief? How'd that work out for you?

    Additionally, the right demands that Americans go through E-Verify in order to get a job. What??? They know full well that E-Verify relies on the National ID / REAL ID Act which is predicated on the Socialist Surveillance Number .....ooops "Social Security Number" and creates a system whereby spying on you at every level becomes possible. It also makes it a snap for any Tom, Slick or Harry to steal your identity.

    WHEN Hitlery assumes office, her first act will be to lobby Congress for a Universal Background Check in order to purchase a firearm. So, in order to exercise your Second Amendment Rights, you will have to forfeit your Fourth Amendment Rights - just as you have to forfeit them in order to get a job under right wing legislation. If you sell a private weapon, the only way to comply with the law is to register that weapon. Universal Background Checks will work no other way. So, in that regard, Universal Background Check = registered weapons. Registered weapons ultimately get confiscated (if you understand the cycles of history.)

    In the case of the right and National ID / REAL ID Act and E Verify, it was supposed to do great marvels in reducing so - called illegal immigration. That didn't work out too good. Today those same lobbyists are calling for more law enforcement, high walls around America, etc. What was gained by the National ID and background checks?

    The real question was, what was lost?

    BEFORE National ID / REAL ID Act and E-Verify the patriot movement had established that you did NOT need to get a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops, "Social Security Number." No SSN meant that you did not "volunteer" to pay the income tax. Now, having won on that issue, my own Congressman introduced a bill to repeal the Sixteenth Amendment, getting rid of the IRS and the income tax - and NO SSN NEEDED IN AMERICA.

    Presupposing the right was correct in their assumption (and they weren't) that undocumented foreigners did not pay tax, the pay as you go method would have revealed that and IF foreigners here without papers did not pay, they would have had to self deport. Instead, the American people lost. National ID / REAL ID Act and E Verify gave a pretext for the SSN. Identity became easier to steal; you could be followed around without the need for a warrant (and, no, not everything you do is necessarily legal.) The Fourth Amendment was gutted.

    Applying the Universal Background Check will yield no greater results with firearms. It may shut down gun shows and slow down private collectors. It may drive prices up. It will add to the assaults on the Fourth Amendment, but it will not save lives. Regardless of Universal Background Checks, people like Adam Lanza would have still succeeded in the Sandy Hook Massacre since his mother bought the weapons and did the whole background thing. Even according to the MSM:

    "A vast majority of guns used in 16 recent mass shootings, including two guns believed to be used in the Orlando attack, were bought legally and with a federal background check."

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...guns.html?_r=0

    The reality is, Universal Background Checks are about as effective as a eunuch in a $#@!house. There are better solutions. But, if the pro-gun lobby don't step up to the plate and reverse course, they are giving their Rights away. As for the left, if they don't understand the lesson from the mistakes of the right on this issue, it only proves the obvious that you won't take a fool's advice until you've been made a fool of yourself.

    "He who gives up essential Liberty for the promise of temporary deserves neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin
    Orwell was right , just off by a few years. But nobody cares unless it's "their liberty" .

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    Liberty isn't freedom. It comes with a price tag. And that is the cost of keeping it free.

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    So Orwell was off by 22 years.
    I surely wish it was 1984 again.
    If it it was,I could go down to the pawn shop and buy 500 rounds of CCI 40-grain mini-mags
    to shoot off through my awesome Marlin model 60.
    Here's a song from 1984. sounds like it was recorded off of a cassette tape.

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    It is sad that our constitutional Liberties are worthy on no more than a couple of responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beevee View Post
    Liberty isn't freedom. It comes with a price tag. And that is the cost of keeping it free.
    And we quit making the payments a long time ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrounger View Post
    From both the left as well as the right we are continually treated to the notion that Universal Background Checks are a good thing. Really?

    The right claims they have no issues with immigrants, regardless of who they are, provided they do so legally and that they are vetted. You mean vetted - as Donald Trump was vetted before running for the job of Commander in Chief? How'd that work out for you?

    Additionally, the right demands that Americans go through E-Verify in order to get a job. What??? They know full well that E-Verify relies on the National ID / REAL ID Act which is predicated on the Socialist Surveillance Number .....ooops "Social Security Number" and creates a system whereby spying on you at every level becomes possible. It also makes it a snap for any Tom, Slick or Harry to steal your identity.

    WHEN Hitlery assumes office, her first act will be to lobby Congress for a Universal Background Check in order to purchase a firearm. So, in order to exercise your Second Amendment Rights, you will have to forfeit your Fourth Amendment Rights - just as you have to forfeit them in order to get a job under right wing legislation. If you sell a private weapon, the only way to comply with the law is to register that weapon. Universal Background Checks will work no other way. So, in that regard, Universal Background Check = registered weapons. Registered weapons ultimately get confiscated (if you understand the cycles of history.)

    In the case of the right and National ID / REAL ID Act and E Verify, it was supposed to do great marvels in reducing so - called illegal immigration. That didn't work out too good. Today those same lobbyists are calling for more law enforcement, high walls around America, etc. What was gained by the National ID and background checks?

    The real question was, what was lost?

    BEFORE National ID / REAL ID Act and E-Verify the patriot movement had established that you did NOT need to get a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops, "Social Security Number." No SSN meant that you did not "volunteer" to pay the income tax. Now, having won on that issue, my own Congressman introduced a bill to repeal the Sixteenth Amendment, getting rid of the IRS and the income tax - and NO SSN NEEDED IN AMERICA.

    Presupposing the right was correct in their assumption (and they weren't) that undocumented foreigners did not pay tax, the pay as you go method would have revealed that and IF foreigners here without papers did not pay, they would have had to self deport. Instead, the American people lost. National ID / REAL ID Act and E Verify gave a pretext for the SSN. Identity became easier to steal; you could be followed around without the need for a warrant (and, no, not everything you do is necessarily legal.) The Fourth Amendment was gutted.

    Applying the Universal Background Check will yield no greater results with firearms. It may shut down gun shows and slow down private collectors. It may drive prices up. It will add to the assaults on the Fourth Amendment, but it will not save lives. Regardless of Universal Background Checks, people like Adam Lanza would have still succeeded in the Sandy Hook Massacre since his mother bought the weapons and did the whole background thing. Even according to the MSM:

    "A vast majority of guns used in 16 recent mass shootings, including two guns believed to be used in the Orlando attack, were bought legally and with a federal background check."

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...guns.html?_r=0

    The reality is, Universal Background Checks are about as effective as a eunuch in a $#@!house. There are better solutions. But, if the pro-gun lobby don't step up to the plate and reverse course, they are giving their Rights away. As for the left, if they don't understand the lesson from the mistakes of the right on this issue, it only proves the obvious that you won't take a fool's advice until you've been made a fool of yourself.

    "He who gives up essential Liberty for the promise of temporary deserves neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin
    Actually, DC v Heller allows for common sense regulation of the second amendment.

    This would likely be ruled constitutional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beevee View Post
    Liberty isn't freedom. It comes with a price tag. And that is the cost of keeping it free.
    What is this platitude supposed to mean?
    Power always thinks it has a great soul, and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak. And that it is doing God service when it is violating all His laws.
    --John Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    Actually, DC v Heller allows for common sense regulation of the second amendment.

    This would likely be ruled constitutional.
    And, of course, the control freak Democrat party will be the ones deciding what "common sense" means.

    You ought to be very careful about your gun-grabber fantasies. The "union" is already in a precarious position. Going after the second amendment could push it over the edge. Do you want Hillary Clinton to be remembered as the president who destroyed the union? Think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    What is this platitude supposed to mean?
    I think he wants to know if you'd like freedom fries with your burger.
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