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Green Arrow (12-11-2016)
I have no problem whatsoever with gays and never have my entire life. I have a real big problem with individuals that want to club people over the head with homosexuality. I have a problem with those that want to force everything homo down our throats and insinuate they are better humans than straight people.
I have turned it off I dont read or respond to it anymore, its redundant nonsense
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resister (12-11-2016)
In an historical sense, homosexuality has traditionally been stigmatized because humanity has traditionally been quite destitute and thus in need of really, really encouraging as much reproduction as possible. Because you cannot reproduce in same-sex relationships and yet humanity has traditionally had this circumstantial compulsion to produce as many children as possible just so that enough might live to adulthood to keep the society alive...this is why most societies have traditionally regarded homosexuality as unnatural and stigmatized it. It is also why it was wealthier societies like ancient Rome that were more tolerant of it in ancient times and why it's mostly poorer countries today still that don't permit same-sex relationships. Religion has really just provided the official blessing for that underlying human survival instinct and necessity.William wrote:
Why do some people seem to have a problem with homosexuality? I don't understand it, and I don't really know any gays, but I don't understand how what people do in private with each other can affect neone else.
I know religious people say the Bible condemns it, but like we don't even know for sure if there is a God, so all we know about the Bible is it's just a collection of stories about an ancient nomadic desert tribe. But doesn't matter what we believe, or don't believe, do we have the right to make someone's life difficult over something that's none of our business?
In today's world, and especially in wealthier countries like ours, stigmatizing homosexuality no longer makes sense because the aforementioned circumstances that led to it being stigmatized no longer exist, which is the world-historic reason why the stigma surrounding it is starting to disappear. However, history always has its reactionaries who are intimidated by ideas like change itself and social equality.
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Green Arrow (12-11-2016),Ravens Fan (12-11-2016),William (12-11-2016)
Uncle Ferd says is `cause dey talk with a lisp...
... an' dey swish when dey walk...
... an' now dey tryin' to get ever'body...
... to be like dem.
resister (12-11-2016)
I believe that some people do confuse approval of something with a simple acknowledgment of a thing's existence. Same-sex attraction, same-sex relationships - there are no rational reasons why the civil law should discriminate in any way whatsoever against those whose natural urge is in that direction. People who believe that living in a society where, for example, couples of whom they disapprove are permitted to marry or adopt children or be teachers is somehow a violation of their rights are clearly placing conformity above fairness and justice, and - in the case of Americans - are in error in the matter of how their legal institutions are supposed to work.
You don't have to feel that you are being made to approve of something, or being made to consider it "normal", because the State does; the State represents - at least in theory - the legitimate interests of all the people, and some of those interests may be personally disturbing to any number of citizens.
Why so many cultures, at least in their primitive states - still ongoing, in some cases - revile and condemn same-sex attraction (I don't care for the word "homosexuality", as it's a b*st*rd mash-up of Greek and Latin words and sounds entirely too clinical) is something I haven't studied or done much reading about recently, so I really don't know. I suspect it has something to do with suspicion of "the other" - people who are different in any way. The founders and scriptural authors of several of the major world religions, being human beings whose cultures largely practiced that condemnation, ascribed those feelings to their God, while classifying same-sex attraction - since it was something that their culture taught them was wrong - as the work of God's opposite number.
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FindersKeepers (12-11-2016),Green Arrow (12-11-2016),William (12-11-2016)
William, I believe we should measure politics on a control freak scale instead of left and right. Wanting to ban guns or wanting to ban gay marriage actually stem from the same source. A desire to impose your will and lifestyle on others. Same with drug prohibition ,many of our tax laws ( at least here), seat belt laws etc.
The world bills itself as left vs. right, globailist vs. nationalist and in their own minds right vs. wrong. But it's actually just a bunch of control freaks wrestling over which parts of your life they want to have unecessary control over.
"Dance puppet, dance"
Standing Wolf (12-11-2016),William (12-11-2016)
Thanks for that, and don't take this wrong, but the age of consent in most European countries is between 14 and 16. Australia is actually a bit backward in having 16 (and so is the UK) - like it's 14 in Germany, Austria and Italy, and 15 in France, Denmark, and Greece. So how come the US is so far behind?
Oh, I wish I were a glow worm,
for a glow worm's never glum,
'cause how can you be grumpy
when the sun shines out your bum!