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    The War on Drugs

    As somebody who has seen the inside of the system, I can tell you exactly what needs to change in the war on drugs.

    Right now we are sending anybody to jail who gets caught with drugs. I mean, real hard drugs--Marijuana is becoming more and more decriminalized every year, thank God.

    So what happens then? Problem solved, right?

    Wrong. Since the "criminal" has not been treated for any drug problem, they are still addicted and will continue to participate in addict-like behaviors, even while in jail or prison. In prison, it's common knowledge that inmates continue to use drugs. Not only that, but they become accustomed to a type of prison culture which they will take with them out into the real world when they are released.

    Prison makes people hard-headed, paranoid, "street-smart," sexist, racist and dumb. No wonder republicans just want to throw you in prison for dumb things like using drugs.

    They think they are punishing people when they do this. "We'll show them dirty criminals." You spend your tax money on private prisons, which take your money for profit and use only a small portion of it for the minimalistic feeding and sheltering of criminals.

    And what do these criminals do while stuck in their walls with each other for months and years at a time? They create a counter-culture of criminals which stays with them when they are released into the outer world.

    You've seen it yourself, I'm sure. Prison life is glorified in the outside world. Country stars cashed in on the prison life with their songs, and now the younger generation has done it with their hippity hop.

    I have never been to prison, thankfully. I should have. But, I did hang around with a bunch of dudes (white guys) who had been to prison, and they could tell that I was green--and they took advantage of it. Somebody robbed me blind and took my smartphone, and when I confronted them about it, they protected each other. (In prison, "snitches get stitches.")

    You see, the prison culture is much more fortified than the American culture. It is a hard and close knit community.

    Spend your tax dollars better. Treatment is a much more effective and less damaging option. When an addict comes out of treatment, they will not have learned criminal techniques like how to steal your car. They will not learned how to case your house and disable your security during the day so they can come back and rob you at night. These kinds of things are learned in prison. But if you treat the person instead of criminalize them, they are a lot less likely to be repeat offenders, and they will learn something about themselves.
    Faith can move mountains, but don't forget to bring your shovel.

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    You make a lot of generalizations about ex inmates. Not all are permanently transformed. Some do rehabilitate.
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    Legalize all drugs. Offer treatment to anyone who wants it.
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    I never heard of anyone getting addicted to pot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AeonPax View Post
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    I never heard of anyone getting addicted to pot.
    People get psychologically addicted to pot all the time.
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    These are easy to identify, such as heroin, barbiturates or alcohol. Others like marijuana are psychologically addictive, and the withdrawal includes psychological symptoms like anxiety, mood swings and depression. ... But, the psychological craving can be stronger than the physical withdrawal.May 5, 2012

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark III View Post
    People get psychologically addicted to pot all the time.These are easy to identify, such as heroin, barbiturates or alcohol. Others like marijuana are psychologically addictive, and the withdrawal includes psychological symptoms like anxiety, mood swings and depression. ... But, the psychological craving can be stronger than the physical withdrawal.May 5, 2012Is Marijuana Addictive? | Psychology Today
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    Not that I don't believe what a pop psyc zine has to say but; those cases are rare in numbers. source Anecdotally, I smoke it a couple times a week. Noproblem
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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    As somebody who has seen the inside of the system, I can tell you exactly what needs to change in the war on drugs.

    Right now we are sending anybody to jail who gets caught with drugs. I mean, real hard drugs--Marijuana is becoming more and more decriminalized every year, thank God.

    So what happens then? Problem solved, right?

    Wrong. Since the "criminal" has not been treated for any drug problem, they are still addicted and will continue to participate in addict-like behaviors, even while in jail or prison. In prison, it's common knowledge that inmates continue to use drugs. Not only that, but they become accustomed to a type of prison culture which they will take with them out into the real world when they are released.

    Prison makes people hard-headed, paranoid, "street-smart," sexist, racist and dumb. No wonder republicans just want to throw you in prison for dumb things like using drugs.

    They think they are punishing people when they do this. "We'll show them dirty criminals." You spend your tax money on private prisons, which take your money for profit and use only a small portion of it for the minimalistic feeding and sheltering of criminals.

    And what do these criminals do while stuck in their walls with each other for months and years at a time? They create a counter-culture of criminals which stays with them when they are released into the outer world.

    You've seen it yourself, I'm sure. Prison life is glorified in the outside world. Country stars cashed in on the prison life with their songs, and now the younger generation has done it with their hippity hop.

    I have never been to prison, thankfully. I should have. But, I did hang around with a bunch of dudes (white guys) who had been to prison, and they could tell that I was green--and they took advantage of it. Somebody robbed me blind and took my smartphone, and when I confronted them about it, they protected each other. (In prison, "snitches get stitches.")

    You see, the prison culture is much more fortified than the American culture. It is a hard and close knit community.

    Spend your tax dollars better. Treatment is a much more effective and less damaging option. When an addict comes out of treatment, they will not have learned criminal techniques like how to steal your car. They will not learned how to case your house and disable your security during the day so they can come back and rob you at night. These kinds of things are learned in prison. But if you treat the person instead of criminalize them, they are a lot less likely to be repeat offenders, and they will learn something about themselves.
    Why prohibit drugs to begin with?
    1) It leads to far more deaths , including turf wars over sales territory than it "saves"
    2) It actually contributes to more OD's because the buyer cannot know the purity of the drug like he or she does with alcohol or tobacco
    3) It is likely the main funding source of the gangs and cartels we spend so much to combat
    4) It brands people who have harmed no one as practically unemployable.
    5) It cost billions in tax dollars to "super size" the prison industrial complex
    6) It ties treatment centers up with those who have no interest in getting well, costing more tax payer dollars and diminishing the experience of those who are there to start building a recovery
    7) And I can't stress this enough. Prohibition does not work. Measured by drug availability, access, variety, steadiness of supply or virtually any other standard it does not keep drugs out of people's hands.
    8) The only places who are starting to "win" the "war on drugs" are places like Portugol who have won through surrender and creative treatment programing. There is absolutley no credible , factual argument to support prohibition in it's current form. None.

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    Quote Originally Posted by resister View Post
    You make a lot of generalizations about ex inmates. Not all are permanently transformed. Some do rehabilitate.

    Some do but percentage wise it's a revolving door where some "branded" non-violent offenders become violent offenders

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeonPax View Post
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    Not that I don't believe what a pop psyc zine has to say but; those cases are rare in numbers. source Anecdotally, I smoke it a couple times a week. Noproblem
    When it comes to recreational drugs almost all physical dependence follows psychological depndence . Take alcohol for example. Practically no one will put their body through drinking enough of this partial poison often enough, long enough, in high enough quanities to develp physical dependence.
    They probably won't tell you this in abnomal Pscych or Chemical dependency 101 but physical dependence is usually nothing more than a symptom of pscychological dependence . Precription meds can be different but still the physical dependence is worse if the drugs were being abused , which almost all long term pain killer patients do because of the tolerance effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Legalize all drugs. Offer treatment to anyone who wants it.
    Don't "legalize" them, but "decriminalize" them.

    And, tax democrats to pay for addict's treatment.
    ""A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul" ~George Bernard Shaw

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