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    What Christianity has always needed

    What Christianity has always needed is just one more book to the New Testament. To wit: The Gospel, according to Jesus.
    There are four Gospels, three of which seem to have a common source, called Q for Quelle, which mean 'source" in German and is unrelated to Q anon and the Star Trek immortal entity named Q. Mark, Luke, and Matthew. John is the outlier and the only Gospel that claims that Jesus was God.

    There are contradictions between the four Gospels. The date of Jesus' birth occurred during one date or another, because two different dates are mentioned (neither says December 25th). There are a significant number of other contradictions.

    What is needed is the actual declaration of who Jesus was, what was his nature and what was his mission.

    The Portuguese novelist and Nobel Prize winner (1998) José de Sousa Saramago actually wrote The Gospel according to Jesus Christ. He was excommunicated by the Church, by the way. It is worth a read, for sure.

    If you like humor, there is The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal, by Christopher Moore.

    Both books are, in my opinion, an easier read than any of the Gospels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierOnassis View Post
    What Christianity has always needed is just one more book to the New Testament. To wit: The Gospel, according to Jesus.
    There are four Gospels, three of which seem to have a common source, called Q for Quelle, which mean 'source" in German and is unrelated to Q anon and the Star Trek immortal entity named Q. Mark, Luke, and Matthew. John is the outlier and the only Gospel that claims that Jesus was God.

    There are contradictions between the four Gospels. The date of Jesus' birth occurred during one date or another, because two different dates are mentioned (neither says December 25th). There are a significant number of other contradictions.

    What is needed is the actual declaration of who Jesus was, what was his nature and what was his mission.

    The Portuguese novelist and Nobel Prize winner (1998) José de Sousa Saramago actually wrote The Gospel according to Jesus Christ. He was excommunicated by the Church, by the way. It is worth a read, for sure.

    If you like humor, there is The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal, by Christopher Moore.

    Both books are, in my opinion, an easier read than any of the Gospels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierOnassis View Post
    What Christianity has always needed is just one more book to the New Testament. To wit: The Gospel, according to Jesus.
    There are four Gospels, three of which seem to have a common source, called Q for Quelle, which mean 'source" in German and is unrelated to Q anon and the Star Trek immortal entity named Q. Mark, Luke, and Matthew. John is the outlier and the only Gospel that claims that Jesus was God.

    There are contradictions between the four Gospels. The date of Jesus' birth occurred during one date or another, because two different dates are mentioned (neither says December 25th). There are a significant number of other contradictions.

    What is needed is the actual declaration of who Jesus was, what was his nature and what was his mission.

    The Portuguese novelist and Nobel Prize winner (1998) José de Sousa Saramago actually wrote The Gospel according to Jesus Christ. He was excommunicated by the Church, by the way. It is worth a read, for sure.

    If you like humor, there is The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal, by Christopher Moore.

    Both books are, in my opinion, an easier read than any of the Gospels.
    Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are the books of Jesus. Every time a non Christian attempts to "school" us on Christianity they make complete fools of themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierOnassis View Post
    There are four Gospels, three of which seem to have a common source, called Q for Quelle, which mean 'source" in German...
    I am a bit of a fan of the so-called "Q" Theory (which was originally set forth by B.H. Streeter about a century ago; although, frankly, it has been close to 75 years since its popularity began to wane).

    This was not entirely new, of course; it was simply an expansion of (the older) Two-Source Q Theory.

    For those who may be unfamiliar with it, Streeter posited that Mark was the first of the Synoptic Gospels (rather than Matthew, as had long been believed, based upon the words of Eusebius); and that both Matthew and Luke used it as a basis for their works.

    They also (ex hypothesi) used (a still-undiscovered) work known as "Q."

    Matthew also used a (still-undiscovered) work known as "M"--presumably, a Jerusalem source--which gives Matthew its distinctly Jewish flavor.

    And Luke used yet another source--"L"--believed to be of Antiochene origin.

    Of course, this is no more a proven fact than, say, the Documentary Hypothesis of the Pentateuch is a proven fact.

    Still, I do think that it appears quite reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierOnassis View Post
    What Christianity has always needed is just one more book to the New Testament. To wit: The Gospel, according to Jesus.
    There are four Gospels, three of which seem to have a common source, called Q for Quelle, which mean 'source" in German and is unrelated to Q anon and the Star Trek immortal entity named Q. Mark, Luke, and Matthew. John is the outlier and the only Gospel that claims that Jesus was God.

    There are contradictions between the four Gospels. The date of Jesus' birth occurred during one date or another, because two different dates are mentioned (neither says December 25th). There are a significant number of other contradictions.

    What is needed is the actual declaration of who Jesus was, what was his nature and what was his mission.

    The Portuguese novelist and Nobel Prize winner (1998) José de Sousa Saramago actually wrote The Gospel according to Jesus Christ. He was excommunicated by the Church, by the way. It is worth a read, for sure.

    If you like humor, there is The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal, by Christopher Moore.

    Both books are, in my opinion, an easier read than any of the Gospels.
    Saramago was an atheist and a communist. He was never excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church because he was never a member of the Roman Catholic Church.
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    The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal, by Christopher Moore, is a good read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    The Bible is fine as is.
    He said, he who has never actually understood it, if he is like most Christians.

    The Bible is a mishmash of good advice, bad advice, warnings of the destruction of the Jewish people, poetry and a lot of strange musings. Preachers mention only about a tenth of the actual content of the Bible in sermons.

    If you are actually interested in the Bible as history, watch the lectures of Dr Bart Ehrman on YouTube. He is a professor at UNC Chapel Hill, NC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLD GUY IN FLORIDA View Post
    Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are the books of Jesus. Every time a non Christian attempts to "school" us on Christianity they make complete fools of themselves.
    No one knows who Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John really were. Their names were added on long after they died. Nor does the author of whoever wrote any of the four Gospels identify himself by name. The complete fools are the multitude of fundamentalist "young Earth" preachers you will find on YouTube and the CBN. All most of them do is rant incoherently

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    It's actually Lamb...


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