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    Obama and Cuba

    Okay, we all understand that President Obama stopped the embargo on Cuba, which I agree with, and went to Cuba to crawl before the Castro regime, which I disagreed with. And in return for dropping the sanctions the U.S. got...well, bupkas. Nothing but insults and sneers.

    Then, before he left office, President Obama attacked the Cuban people by denying them sanctuary when they escape. He ordered them returned to the tender mercies of the Castro regime.

    So, he approves of Cuba harboring fleeing murderers from the U.S. but rejects harboring decent Cubans. At the same time he wanted to flood the country with likely terrorists in the guise of refugees but denies the obvious refugees from Cuba.

    What a president. His legacy is secure.

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    Opening up Cuba was good. But Obama demonstrated again that he doesn't know what to do with leverage.
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    I said in the OP I agreed with removing the sanctions but I think we should have negotiated and not simply crawled and begged. But, the bigger issue is returning escapees to Cuba for punishment.

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    Doctors find brain abnormalities in victims of Cuba US sonic attacks...

    Doctors find brain abnormalities in victims of Cuba mystery
    Dec. 6,`17 | WASHINGTON — Doctors treating the U.S. embassy victims of suspected attacks in Cuba have discovered brain abnormalities as they search for clues to explain hearing, vision, balance and memory damage, The Associated Press has learned.
    It’s the most specific finding to date about physical damage, showing that whatever it was that harmed the Americans, it led to perceptible changes in their brains. The finding is also one of several factors fueling growing skepticism that some kind of sonic weapon was involved. Medical testing has revealed the embassy workers developed changes to the white matter tracts that let different parts of the brain communicate, several U.S. officials said, describing a growing consensus held by university and government physicians researching the attacks. White matter acts like information highways between brain cells. Loud, mysterious sounds followed by hearing loss and ear-ringing had led investigators to suspect “sonic attacks.” But officials are now carefully avoiding that term. The sounds may have been the byproduct of something else that caused damage, said three U.S. officials briefed on the investigation. They weren’t authorized to discuss it publicly and demanded anonymity.




    Physicians, FBI investigators and U.S. intelligence agencies have spent months trying to piece together the puzzle in Havana, where the U.S. says 24 U.S. government officials and spouses fell ill starting last year in homes and later in some hotels. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Wednesday he’s “convinced these were targeted attacks,” but the U.S. doesn’t know who’s behind them. A few Canadian Embassy staffers also got sick. Doctors still don’t know how victims ended up with the white matter changes, nor how exactly those changes might relate to their symptoms. U.S. officials wouldn’t say whether the changes were found in all 24 patients. But acoustic waves have never been shown to alter the brain’s white matter tracts, said Elisa Konofagou, a biomedical engineering professor at Columbia University who is not involved in the government’s investigation. “I would be very surprised,” Konofagou said, adding that ultrasound in the brain is used frequently in modern medicine. “We never see white matter tract problems.”


    Cuba has adamantly denied involvement, and calls the Trump administration’s claims that U.S. workers were attacked “deliberate lies.” The new medical details may help the U.S. counter Havana’s complaint that Washington hasn’t presented any evidence. Tillerson said the U.S. had shared some information with Havana, but wouldn’t disclose details that would violate privacy or help a perpetrator learn how effective the attacks were. “What we’ve said to the Cubans is: Small island. You’ve got a sophisticated intelligence apparatus. You probably know who’s doing it. You can stop it,” Tillerson said. “It’s as simple as that.” The case has plunged the U.S. medical community into uncharted territory. Physicians are treating the symptoms like a new, never-seen-before illness. After extensive testing and trial therapies, they’re developing the first protocols to screen cases and identify the best treatments — even as the FBI investigation struggles to identify a culprit, method and motive.



    Graphic shows regions of white and gray matter in the human brain.


    Doctors treating the victims wouldn’t speak to the AP, yet their findings are expected to be discussed in an article being submitted to the Journal of the American Medical Association, U.S. officials said. Physicians at the University of Miami and the University of Pennsylvania who have treated the Cuba victims are writing it, with input from the State Department’s medical unit and other government doctors. But the article won’t speculate about what technology might have harmed the workers or who would have wanted to target Americans in Cuba. If investigators are any closer to solving those questions, their findings won’t be made public. The AP first reported in August that U.S. workers reported sounds audible in parts of rooms but inaudible just a few feet away — unlike normal sound, which disperses in all directions. Doctors have now come up with a term for such incidents: “directional acoustic phenomena.” Most patients have fully recovered, some after rehabilitation and other treatment, officials said. Many are back at work. About one-quarter had symptoms that persisted for long periods or remain to this day.


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    Well, he did pardon that guy who planted all those bombs in NY, so not surprised. I cant believe some democrats $#@!ed about Trump pardoning a sheriff for enforcing US law but were silent that a terrorist was pardoned at the 11th hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Opening up Cuba was good. But Obama demonstrated again that he doesn't know what to do with leverage.
    Right now I'm smoking a Cohiba. It's a bit harsh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    I said in the OP I agreed with removing the sanctions but I think we should have negotiated and not simply crawled and begged. But, the bigger issue is returning escapees to Cuba for punishment.
    I would say the bigger issue would have been returning escapees to the US for punishment.

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