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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It is.....especially for a country that is one of the major powers on the planet. While many talk about policing the world, they also forget that our military is used for disasters that take place around the world.

    Used to save lives. Yet those that talk bout policing the world, fail to comprehend what Order is about. While also hoping someone else will always show up for those disasters. Yet who does and who else is even capable to respond.
    Apples and oranges. You don't need guns, fighter planes, missiles and tanks to provide disaster relief. (Besides, in response to at least some past missions of that nature, haven't Conservatives complained that the U.S. military was being used as "an international Meals on Wheels" operation?) The complaints by military leaders - politicians all, by the way, and I agree completely with Ethereal's assessment of their motivation in pleading poverty - center on the Services' readiness to fight a war and kill people - not to deliver food, build shelters or dig folks out of the rubble.
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    I'm not surprised that the military is run down. 15 years of war. 8 years of an administration that wasn't sympathetic to its needs. You reap what you sow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I'm not surprised that the military is run down. 15 years of war. 8 years of an administration that wasn't sympathetic to its needs. You reap what you sow.
    Yes high op-tempo degrades units over time. Even SEAL Team 6 is having problems: they have had over a dozen operators killed in parachute training the last several years. Most of them in free fall type (HAHO / HALO) exercises. That is just one example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Apples and oranges. You don't need guns, fighter planes, missiles and tanks to provide disaster relief. (Besides, in response to at least some past missions of that nature, haven't Conservatives complained that the U.S. military was being used as "an international Meals on Wheels" operation?) The complaints by military leaders - politicians all, by the way, and I agree completely with Ethereal's assessment of their motivation in pleading poverty - center on the Services' readiness to fight a war and kill people - not to deliver food, build shelters or dig folks out of the rubble.

    No conservatives were complaining about Nation building. Oh and you do need to protect our people as well as others. Fighter planes used to protect cargo planes and ships etc. In todays age some ships that show up for relief have missiles. Aircraft carriers showing up as they a like a city unto themselves.

    Moreover we don't send in Aircraft Carrier without protection.


    Oh, and one does have to replace old and outdated equipment.


    Also, I don't find it as any surprise that you would support his position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Yes high op-tempo degrades units over time. Even SEAL Team 6 is having problems: they have had over a dozen operators killed in parachute training the last several years. Most of them in free fall type (HAHO / HALO) exercises. That is just one example.
    I love history. It's one of my passions. I know that every time the USA has ratcheted down it's military, cut military spending, demilitarized (whatever you want to call it) we have sorely regretted it. I read some on here that belittle the military and it's need. It's because of the our military that they get to say that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I love history. It's one of my passions. I know that every time the USA has ratcheted down it's military, cut military spending, demilitarized (whatever you want to call it) we have sorely regretted it. I read some on here that belittle the military and it's need. It's because of the our military that they get to say that.
    True. Often when the military shrinks, it does not do so in an intelligent way. Too often entire skill sets are eliminated, only to be regretted later when the next war starts and you need that skill set.
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    We have been down this road before. Nothing changes from the Isolationists point of view. Nor those opposed.




    U.S. military readiness cannot be gauged by comparing America's armed forces with other nations' militaries. Instead, the capability of U.S. forces to support America's national security requirements should be the measure of U.S. military readiness. Such a standard is necessary because America may confront threats from many different nations at once.


    America's national security requirements dictate that the armed forces must be prepared to defeat groups of adversaries in a given war. America, as the sole remaining superpower, has many enemies. Because attacking America or its interests alone would surely end in defeat for a single nation, these enemies are likely to form alliances. Therefore, basing readiness on American military superiority over any single nation has little saliency.


    The evidence indicates that the U.S. armed forces are not ready to support America's national security requirements. Moreover, regarding the broader capability to defeat groups of enemies, military readiness has been declining. The National Security Strategy, the U.S. official statement of national security objectives,3 concludes that the United States "must have the capability to deter and, if deterrence fails, defeat large-scale, cross-border aggression in two distant theaters in overlapping time frames."


    Military readiness is vital because declines in America's military readiness signal to the rest of the world that the United States is not prepared to defend its interests. Therefore, potentially hostile nations will be more likely to lash out against American allies and interests, inevitably leading to U.S. involvement in combat. A high state of military readiness is more likely to deter potentially hostile nations from acting aggressively in regions of vital national interest, thereby preserving peace......snip~


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Defense Leaders Agree: U.S. Military Readiness Is at a Dangerous Low

    A decade + of war has left the US military worn down and its equipment worn out.



    So far as the Army goes, as seen above, those stats are dismal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    The only way to solve these problems it to stop trying to fight everyone's battles for them.
    I am against the US as world cop.

    But the way to solve the problems identified above is training and repairing / replacing equipment.
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    That's because we've been dicking around doing nonsensical bull$#@! for well over a decade.

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